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Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Post by neuronic »

inglor_cz wrote: post #105
digdigdag wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask yourself -- what object would be so massive and heavy and yet needed with such immediacy that a company would be willing to pay millions -- perhaps beyond the cost of the object itself -- to ship in a sub-orbital manner? Large and critical infrastructure components like generators, large piping and ducts, etc. are already transported at a fraction of the cost by the likes of the AN-225 Mirya within a matter of ho…

You are concentrating only on speed and possibly cost. But there is another thing to consider. For military use, the fact that you do not need consent of third states to use their infrastructure and can support operations on the other side of the globe directly, is golden. Remember the Yom Kippur War in 1973. Everyone who helped Israel was subject to Arab oil embargo, AFAIK including countries that just allowed Ameri…

Consent isn't a problem for the US. It's either allied with a nation or able to bully them into doing whatever.

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Post by throw1234651234 »

_Microft wrote: post #169
throw1234651234 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trolling, but the second point casts doubt on it all, given that I have a hard time imagining Musk hosting parties, let alone getting people to pay for them. This is also pre-hair, pre-money Elon Musk we are talking about.

I won't be looking up the page in the book for you but here is a search result instead: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/09/elon-musk-ran-a-nightclub-ou...

No, I believe you, I am questioning the book itself. Either way, thanks for the link.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Post by futureshock »

randomsearch wrote: post #114
betwixthewires wrote: post #91

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

I realise that Musk has flaws and has received criticism for the spat with the cave diver, ignoring COVID, and labour issues. Want to add that caveat. But beyond that, I feel like in terms of what he's doing Musk is some sort of time traveller, back from the future to boost humanity's progress. Why is he such an outlier? What can we as individuals learn from him? And more importantly, how do we make more Elon Musks?

He has flaws. It's fine to recognize that. We all have flaws though and it's unrealistic to expect perfect opinions from anyone. Who decides what perfect is anyway?

I absolutely think there is something to learn from his approach, though I think he has much in common with other highly successful people. My old boss actually had a similar attitude and she accomplished amazing things in her life. In the same way the person you replied to was describing, she would say she was going to do something and people would go "yeah sure." And then she would do them. It seemed like bullshit, then it was real.

First and foremost, it's not about money or opportunity, those are just amplifiers. Without the money it wouldn't be Mars, it would be a local bike co-op. The magic is in an attitude that is low on fear, high on hope, unconcerned what others will think, and always reaching for the most awesome outcome, right on the edge of what seems possible. My old boss had a moment where her son had just started working mall retail, then suddenly he was meeting the CEO and becoming a brand ambassador. She said "he's starting to realize he can do awesome shit," like she was Obi-wan teaching Luke about the force. Most people have set an artificial cap on their potential and accomplishments by believing that the world is a harsh and shit place and that something truly good happening is an impossibility. And then all the opportunities to change their world in big and small ways sail right on past them.

Put another way, I think it's about learning how to be a creator of new realities and not just living in other people's realities.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Post by DarmokJalad1701 »

Pelic4n wrote: post #163
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop parroting debunked allegations. https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/iivbk5/elon_m...

We should tell the kids mining cobalt in congo that Elon Musk's family wealth is in fact, not from an emerald mine and that Elon is a good guy after all! I wonder why his family got out of South Africa as soon as the apartheid ended and hasn't got back since at least once tho.

> I wonder why his family got out of South Africa as soon as the apartheid ended and hasn't got back since at least once tho.

Could it possibly has something to do with his father being abusive to both his mother and himself/siblings? You can allege things all day long, but the fact is that your claims don't bear out in reality.

> We should tell the kids mining cobalt in congo that Elon Musk's family wealth is in fact, not from an emerald mine and that Elon is a good guy after all!

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

Even though completely unrelated to what is being discussed, since you brought it up: Tesla has constantly re-iterated their commitment to responsible sourcing of minerals up and down their supply chain in their filings (https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2019-tesla-impact-report.pdf). If you are making claims, back it up with some evidence.

Besides, their batteries use much less Co than others today and will be phased out entirely by next year. The oil industry uses tons more cobalt in refining than Tesla ever does in production.

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Post by jfengel »

numlock86 wrote: post #107
betwixthewires wrote: post #91

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

What really stands out is the impact of this guy, too. Imagine he just wouldn't have done those things. Imagine no PayPal, no Tesla, no SpaceX ... it's easy to say "Yeah, someone else would have probably done it then." but that's just not right. Otherwise we'd see a lot more of those things by now. Sure, there are some now, but most if not all are the result of him setting the bar in the first place.

Tesla and SpaceX were definitely years or decades ahead of their time, but PayPal would have happened without Musk. There are lots of competitors. PayPal was the one that hit the right features in the right place at the right time (with the right lawyers to talk to the right regulators), but it was far from unqiue.

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Post by perfmode »

digdigdag wrote: post #50
Ballu wrote: post #44

"The cargo version can also be used for rapid point-to-point Earth transport." Why no one is talking about this. This will be game changer if can be done with bigger payload. There are models created earlier that using rocket technology/mechanism, LA-HK can be reached in 2 hours. This can have huge impact on avionics esp with trade.

Ask yourself -- what object would be so massive and heavy and yet needed with such immediacy that a company would be willing to pay millions -- perhaps beyond the cost of the object itself -- to ship in a sub-orbital manner? Large and critical infrastructure components like generators, large piping and ducts, etc. are already transported at a fraction of the cost by the likes of the AN-225 Mirya within a matter of ho…

weapons/munitions in a war?

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Post by sneak »

martyvis wrote: post #32
threeseed wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure this statement isn't accurate. a) Even in the outbacks of Australia people still have access to the internet via satellite services. In fact very few places in the world, if any, have access to no internet at all rather it's just slow and expensive e.g. Iridium. b) Starlink needs ground stations to work which means it isn't going to be usable in totally rural areas. And even then it will be interesting to…

Currently you are correct in that the ground station and the end user need be in sight of the same Starlink satellite. In a future revision, the satellites will be able to bounce traffic between them in a mesh, thus allowing coverage in the most remote regions.

Is there anything stopping the ground stations from being a ground based relay between different starlink satellites, basically beaming down from one and up to another? It would increase latency but could serve the same purpose as the lasers, and all they would need at the intermediate ground stations is reliable power. Eventually you get back to one that has fiber.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Post by njarboe »

WizardAustralis wrote: post #141
njarboe wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are people even interested in peoples' opinions on how other people might fail? Musk has said that he thought SpaceX had a less than 10% chance of even getting a rocket to orbit when he founded it, but trying was worth it anyway. Now that SpaceX has built an orbital booster that comes back to land at the launch site like in the fucking cartoons in the 1950's, why would one spend time thinking about if they will f…

It isnt so much a case of schadenfreude but more a case of seeing what issues still need to be addressed. Personally I would love nothing more that to see the doubters get shown up by the likes of SpaceX actually going out there and making it all actually happen. It is when legitimate issues are being brought up but arent being actively addressed by the likes of SpaceX that is when one has to wonder about how the upp…

"I fear that, what if a company like SpaceX over promises and under delivers and causes more damage to the field long term than if they had not done anything at all?"

Not sure how you think SpaceX could cause more damage than doing nothing. They are the only group for the last two decades, besides Blue Origin, that is trying to advance the technology of heavy lift rockets past what we had with the Saturn V. Just imagine what $30/kg to orbit instead of $10000/kg will open up. They have are half way there with booster recovery and now just need the size of StarShip and the recoverable second stage.

If a company is creating revolutionary technology, why is it an awful company? Under what metrics are you judging it by? Lots of people get "burned out" working at SpaceX, but others also thrive in the environment.

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Post by adolph »

ritchiea wrote: post #143
randomsearch wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realise that Musk has flaws and has received criticism for the spat with the cave diver, ignoring COVID, and labour issues. Want to add that caveat. But beyond that, I feel like in terms of what he's doing Musk is some sort of time traveller, back from the future to boost humanity's progress. Why is he such an outlier? What can we as individuals learn from him? And more importantly, how do we make more Elon Musks?

What has Elon Musk done for humanity? He got extremely wealthy from a payment processing website. Now he runs a company that makes luxury cars and another one that is or aims to be a global military arms logistical network [0]. If I had to pick amongst the exorbitantly wealth, without any serious research I'd say we need more people like Bill Gates. 0. https://futurism.com/the-byte/spacex-building-military-rocke...

Wait, did that "payment processing website" not do something for humanity already? Maybe you are a young person without an appreciation for how that "website" changed the world and enabled new worlds of human activity stifled by the previously available payment options.

https://fin.plaid.com/articles/the-past-present-and-future-o...

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Post by siliconmountain »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #142
betwixthewires wrote: post #91

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

> Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context Its not really a user guide though. More like a brief, very high-level technical spec. Marketing material.

More marketing material than tech spec. A user manual is hundreds of pages, not five pages and a nice cover.
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