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Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by gnaritas »

akkartik wrote: post #12
gnaritas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people aren't any good at searching. You don't need to be good to Google most things. > Sometimes just asking someone who knows can be quicker. Google knows the answer to most simple queries like this. You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled; Google first, then ask when you can't find the answer. The previous poster had the right attitude by saying let me Google that for you, it's su…

I use Google a lot and I still occasionally ask a question without thinking to google it. I think most people are like that. Why be snarky about it? I'd rather just remind them, 'google it' without all the unfriendly judgement that they're being lazy. It's not like people are personally asking icey or you dozens of questions a day. The questioner has shown no evidence of laziness. Let us all exercise a little restrai…

> It's not like people are personally asking icey or you dozens of questions a day.

On here, no, but in real life, yes, I get asked dozens of questions a day people could easily answer themselves if they just Googled. There's a reason programmers start getting annoyed with people being lazy; they're making you do their thinking for them and you get sick of it.

> I think most people are like that. Why be snarky about it?

Because one gets tired of doing other people's thinking for them when they're capable of doing it themselves.

> and I still occasionally ask a question without thinking to google it.

That's the problem, that happens to me constantly by people who just don't think; it's rude; your process should start with Google before bugging someone else who's just going to Google anyway.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

#22

Post by akkartik »

gnaritas wrote: post #21
akkartik wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Google a lot and I still occasionally ask a question without thinking to google it. I think most people are like that. Why be snarky about it? I'd rather just remind them, 'google it' without all the unfriendly judgement that they're being lazy. It's not like people are personally asking icey or you dozens of questions a day. The questioner has shown no evidence of laziness. Let us all exercise a little restrai…

> It's not like people are personally asking icey or you dozens of questions a day. On here, no, but in real life, yes, I get asked dozens of questions a day people could easily answer themselves if they just Googled. There's a reason programmers start getting annoyed with people being lazy; they're making you do their thinking for them and you get sick of it. > I think most people are like that. Why be snarky about…

That is extremely uncompromising. Somebody asking the air a stupid question is always refusing to think for themselves? You're assuming unwillingness from the equivalent of a brainfart.

Nobody was even asking you specifically. Is it really easier to call people names than to just move on to read other stuff?

..bugging someone else who's just going to Google anyway

No, people are often asking if someone knows the answer off the top of their head.

Anyways, this thread has outlived its usefulness. Over and out.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

#23

Post by Steko »

code_duck wrote: post #20

There has to be some middle ground between Apple's style and Google's style. Apple overdoes their control a bit, and Google doesn't exercise enough control. You shouldn't have to make an anonymous reviewer think about puppies to get your app passed. I'd just like an app market where Apps are guaranteed to not be privacy violators, trojans, or capable of damaging my hardware.

"There has to be some middle ground between Apple's style and Google's style." Isn't Apple's approach actually the middle ground? Traditionally when you bought software in a store you were looking at quite a bit more curation then Apple does now.

"You shouldn't have to make an anonymous reviewer think about puppies to get your app passed." You don't. I guess it could help if your app was in a gray area but I don't see it helping that much.

"I'd just like an app market where Apps are guaranteed to not be privacy violators, trojans, or capable of damaging my hardware." While we're going all wishlist let's go scammer free and get an astroturf resistant rating system with much higher discoverability.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by vacri »

bittermang wrote: post #9
icey wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me google that for you: http://developer.apple.com/contact/phone.html Literally the first result when searching for "apple developer support phone number".

And herin lies the problem of this attitude. The original commentator posed a solution, "Call them" but no phone number. The second commentator realized this gap, and asked, "What is the phone number?" One could reasonably expand upon this, it certainty hasn't occurred to me that you could call them and talk to them either. Do you need to be enrolled? Is the number secret? Where is the number. Clearly the first comme…

For this particular problem, your position is hyperbole. People have been "looking up phone numbers" since the demise of "operator, put me through to -foo-". Looking up a phone number for someone is a lowest-common-denominator task; if you're capable of using a phone, you should be capable of at least a cursory search for a phone number.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by gnaritas »

akkartik wrote: post #22
gnaritas wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like people are personally asking icey or you dozens of questions a day. On here, no, but in real life, yes, I get asked dozens of questions a day people could easily answer themselves if they just Googled. There's a reason programmers start getting annoyed with people being lazy; they're making you do their thinking for them and you get sick of it. > I think most people are like that. Why be snarky about…

That is extremely uncompromising. Somebody asking the air a stupid question is always refusing to think for themselves? You're assuming unwillingness from the equivalent of a brainfart. Nobody was even asking you specifically. Is it really easier to call people names than to just move on to read other stuff? ..bugging someone else who's just going to Google anyway No, people are often asking if someone knows the answ…

> Is it really easier to call people names than to just move on to read other stuff?

I didn't call anyone names, please don't put words in my mouth. I described their behavior as being lazy, that is not name calling.

> Anyways, this thread has outlived its usefulness. Over and out.

Ditto.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by akkartik »

gnaritas wrote: post #25
akkartik wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is extremely uncompromising. Somebody asking the air a stupid question is always refusing to think for themselves? You're assuming unwillingness from the equivalent of a brainfart. Nobody was even asking you specifically. Is it really easier to call people names than to just move on to read other stuff? ..bugging someone else who's just going to Google anyway No, people are often asking if someone knows the answ…

> Is it really easier to call people names than to just move on to read other stuff? I didn't call anyone names, please don't put words in my mouth. I described their behavior as being lazy, that is not name calling. > Anyways, this thread has outlived its usefulness. Over and out. Ditto.

Lazy, refusing to think for themselves, insults, names, tomayto, tomahto.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by gnaritas »

bittermang wrote: post #13
gnaritas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people aren't any good at searching. You don't need to be good to Google most things. > Sometimes just asking someone who knows can be quicker. Google knows the answer to most simple queries like this. You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled; Google first, then ask when you can't find the answer. The previous poster had the right attitude by saying let me Google that for you, it's su…

> You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled. So we're discouraging asking questions now? That's a troubling stance. Google's general improvements at googling are making things easier to google. But the world keeps inventing better idiots, and it is a cat and mouse game. Which is not to say that anyone in this thread is an idiot; far from it. But we must recognize that some people are inherent…

We disagree. You are encouraging a bad habit and teaching people they don't need to think at all if you continually respond to easily answered questions they could have found in 5 seconds with a Google search.

It is not negative to tell them to Google for themselves, it's teaching a man to fish. The answer to all simple questions is Google it yourself, that's a more valuable education than any other response.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by vacri »

panacea wrote: post #11
gnaritas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people aren't any good at searching. You don't need to be good to Google most things. > Sometimes just asking someone who knows can be quicker. Google knows the answer to most simple queries like this. You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled; Google first, then ask when you can't find the answer. The previous poster had the right attitude by saying let me Google that for you, it's su…

Ack.. I can't fault your reasoning, and I am definitely in the http://lygtfy.com camp, but I have to pause and reflect on this: "Yes, some people prefer to ask a human rather than Google; those people are lazy and need to be educated, not pacified." Doesn't it strike you as somewhat borg-like, subsumed by technology that we should deny people to impulse to ask other people things? I realize that aggregators and comme…

There is an immense difference between "can someone give me their phone number" and "I'm having troubles with mdadm picking up this array, can someone help out?"

Pandering to trivial requests only encourages trivial requests. Hell, in a forum recently I responded to someone saying "you need version -foo- and you can find it here (link)". He said thanks... then three days later asked where he could find it (link was still valid). The next two comments were asking where they could find the exact thing in the link I'd given and described the parameters of. You also see the same thing in countless forums where commentor -foo- comes along, ignores the comments, and demands someone PM them with the solution.

I don't have a problem with repeating stuff that's buried in the comments on page 5 or whatnot, but when it's this level of trivial crap, it is just chaff and shouldn't be encouraged.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by vacri »

akkartik wrote: post #12
gnaritas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people aren't any good at searching. You don't need to be good to Google most things. > Sometimes just asking someone who knows can be quicker. Google knows the answer to most simple queries like this. You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled; Google first, then ask when you can't find the answer. The previous poster had the right attitude by saying let me Google that for you, it's su…

I use Google a lot and I still occasionally ask a question without thinking to google it. I think most people are like that. Why be snarky about it? I'd rather just remind them, 'google it' without all the unfriendly judgement that they're being lazy. It's not like people are personally asking icey or you dozens of questions a day. The questioner has shown no evidence of laziness. Let us all exercise a little restrai…

I see people being downmodded here for daring to use a little levity in comments because it's 'chaff', so why not apply the same quality restrictions for this kind of trivial question?

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by zbowling »

I would love to contribute to how to get accepted faster, but I honestly can't. I've followed all the rules the last couple years and really haven't been rejected when I've tried to get through. About 1-2 weeks each time for each app and update. Two years ago when the app store was new, I did test the rules and got rejected in static analysis pass but that was under my own personal user and for obvious stuff.

I really don't know what it takes to get rejected on top of the already existing ground rules they spell out on their site. Apple really hasn't given me any trouble at all (except emailing after accepting to change a little artwork to clean up an icon next pass).

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