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Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

#11

Post by panacea »

gnaritas wrote: post #10
bittermang wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And herin lies the problem of this attitude. The original commentator posed a solution, "Call them" but no phone number. The second commentator realized this gap, and asked, "What is the phone number?" One could reasonably expand upon this, it certainty hasn't occurred to me that you could call them and talk to them either. Do you need to be enrolled? Is the number secret? Where is the number. Clearly the first comme…

> Some people aren't any good at searching. You don't need to be good to Google most things. > Sometimes just asking someone who knows can be quicker. Google knows the answer to most simple queries like this. You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled; Google first, then ask when you can't find the answer. The previous poster had the right attitude by saying let me Google that for you, it's su…

Ack.. I can't fault your reasoning, and I am definitely in the http://lygtfy.com camp, but I have to pause and reflect on this:

"Yes, some people prefer to ask a human rather than Google; those people are lazy and need to be educated, not pacified."

Doesn't it strike you as somewhat borg-like, subsumed by technology that we should deny people to impulse to ask other people things?

I realize that aggregators and comments sections give a sort of false illusion that it's a small number of people in a conversation when the number of actual viewers of a thread (and hence, multiple wasted 'human' cycles spent processing 'noise'), but seriously... we should always defer to the algorithm, the index, the internet rather than asking humans?

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

#12

Post by akkartik »

gnaritas wrote: post #10
bittermang wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And herin lies the problem of this attitude. The original commentator posed a solution, "Call them" but no phone number. The second commentator realized this gap, and asked, "What is the phone number?" One could reasonably expand upon this, it certainty hasn't occurred to me that you could call them and talk to them either. Do you need to be enrolled? Is the number secret? Where is the number. Clearly the first comme…

> Some people aren't any good at searching. You don't need to be good to Google most things. > Sometimes just asking someone who knows can be quicker. Google knows the answer to most simple queries like this. You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled; Google first, then ask when you can't find the answer. The previous poster had the right attitude by saying let me Google that for you, it's su…

I use Google a lot and I still occasionally ask a question without thinking to google it. I think most people are like that. Why be snarky about it? I'd rather just remind them, 'google it' without all the unfriendly judgement that they're being lazy.

It's not like people are personally asking icey or you dozens of questions a day. The questioner has shown no evidence of laziness. Let us all exercise a little restraint.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

#13

Post by bittermang »

gnaritas wrote: post #10
bittermang wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And herin lies the problem of this attitude. The original commentator posed a solution, "Call them" but no phone number. The second commentator realized this gap, and asked, "What is the phone number?" One could reasonably expand upon this, it certainty hasn't occurred to me that you could call them and talk to them either. Do you need to be enrolled? Is the number secret? Where is the number. Clearly the first comme…

> Some people aren't any good at searching. You don't need to be good to Google most things. > Sometimes just asking someone who knows can be quicker. Google knows the answer to most simple queries like this. You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled; Google first, then ask when you can't find the answer. The previous poster had the right attitude by saying let me Google that for you, it's su…

> You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled.

So we're discouraging asking questions now? That's a troubling stance.

Google's general improvements at googling are making things easier to google. But the world keeps inventing better idiots, and it is a cat and mouse game. Which is not to say that anyone in this thread is an idiot; far from it. But we must recognize that some people are inherently bad at search. Are they intimidated? Are they inputting the wrong queries? Are they asking the right things but unable to find what they're seeking in their results? There are quite a lot of things that could go wrong with the search itself, before even addressing the individual and how they seek and learn.

Some people learn by reading. Some people learn by listening. Some people learn by doing. This is not a weakness or a laziness issue, this is a human behavior issue. You're not pacifying people by giving them the information they're seeking. We used to call that answering, because they asked a question. If, as posed in this scenario, the first poser provided incomplete information, and the second poster posted a question asking for clarification or more details, I really fail to see how this is laziness that needs to be pacified. That is a very negative view of someone who just wanted more details.

The person was seeking education, they asked a question. Negativity and arrogance on how it was so obvious and they should have just searched for it are not helping educate anyone. They have the opposite effect: next time the person may not even bother asking at all, now feeling alienated and perhaps it's best to not try to learn at all. That doesn't help anyone. Not the person, the community, you, or me. We are all left worse for it.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by philwelch »

bittermang wrote: post #9
icey wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me google that for you: http://developer.apple.com/contact/phone.html Literally the first result when searching for "apple developer support phone number".

And herin lies the problem of this attitude. The original commentator posed a solution, "Call them" but no phone number. The second commentator realized this gap, and asked, "What is the phone number?" One could reasonably expand upon this, it certainty hasn't occurred to me that you could call them and talk to them either. Do you need to be enrolled? Is the number secret? Where is the number. Clearly the first comme…

More to the point, a "let me google that for you" comment used to be the kind of dick move that got people downvoted to -8. It's not really worthy of this kind of analysis.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by gabrielroth »

r00fus wrote: post #16

The tip about some previous hackernews apps being rejected for the word "Hacker" sounds like it might be best to describe Hacker News as just news.ycombinator.com "YCombinator is a startup incubator...".

You might want to put 'Hacker News' in the app's title, though.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

#18

Post by gabrielroth »

bittermang wrote: post #13
gnaritas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people aren't any good at searching. You don't need to be good to Google most things. > Sometimes just asking someone who knows can be quicker. Google knows the answer to most simple queries like this. You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled; Google first, then ask when you can't find the answer. The previous poster had the right attitude by saying let me Google that for you, it's su…

> You shouldn't ask a question where the answer is trivially Googled. So we're discouraging asking questions now? That's a troubling stance. Google's general improvements at googling are making things easier to google. But the world keeps inventing better idiots, and it is a cat and mouse game. Which is not to say that anyone in this thread is an idiot; far from it. But we must recognize that some people are inherent…

> So we're discouraging asking questions now? That's a troubling stance.

It seems pretty obvious that some questions are better not posted on a discussion site, because they bring down the value of the conversation.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by icey »

philwelch wrote: post #15
bittermang wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And herin lies the problem of this attitude. The original commentator posed a solution, "Call them" but no phone number. The second commentator realized this gap, and asked, "What is the phone number?" One could reasonably expand upon this, it certainty hasn't occurred to me that you could call them and talk to them either. Do you need to be enrolled? Is the number secret? Where is the number. Clearly the first comme…

More to the point, a "let me google that for you" comment used to be the kind of dick move that got people downvoted to -8. It's not really worthy of this kind of analysis.

Eh, it wasn't meant to be a dick move. I apologize if it was taken that way. It's definitely not worth this much hand-wringing.

However, it is kind of frustrating when people don't attempt to put forth the most basic effort in finding information like this.

I'm not an Apple developer at all, and it took more time to copy and paste the url into a comment box than it did to find the phone number.

Re: Apple App Approval Tips Nobody Told Me About

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Post by code_duck »

There has to be some middle ground between Apple's style and Google's style. Apple overdoes their control a bit, and Google doesn't exercise enough control. You shouldn't have to make an anonymous reviewer think about puppies to get your app passed. I'd just like an app market where Apps are guaranteed to not be privacy violators, trojans, or capable of damaging my hardware.
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