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First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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I live in India. I am already hearing companies offering planned month long vacation tours to UK/US where you could get yourself vaccinated with vaccines that aren't available in India.

The Pfizer vaccine won't be available privately in UK, not for a long time. So I think they will be disappointed.

What stops pfizer from selling directly to customers?

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Yeah but for how long? Unless Australia is willing to keep screening all arrivals and containing outbreaks indefinitely, Covid is gonna start circulating there at some point.

>Unless Australia is willing to keep screening all arrivals and containing outbreaks indefinitely It's possible. There is no rabies in the UK, for exactly this reason.

You don't get rabies by someone sneezing behind you in a poorly ventilated area.

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The state will not provide it to non-residents. As soon as you arrive in the UK, immigration stamps "no recourse to public funds" in black all-caps into your passport as a friendly reminder.

In this specific instance, you're probably right that there will be paperwork. However, in general, acute healthcare in free in the UK and does not even require ID. I don't know if that's how it's "meant" to be, but that's how it is; if you're on vacation in the UK and something bad happens, you can just turn up at the nearest hospital and it will get sorted out, no bill no fuss.

How it’s “meant” to be is that you’re asked for where you’re registered, and your NHS records are pulled up, and if you’re not registered at a GP practice or in the NHS system you get a bill

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That seems bizarre — you’re much more likely to be able to get it privately in India or Thailand or any other country that has good healthcare for the rich and few qualms about allowing people to buy in private stock. Much easier to pay $500 to a private clinic in Mumbai than fly to the West and hope that you can convince the state to provide it

There's not even any plans to offer vaccines privately in the UK yet. The NHS isn't going to offer it to travellers.

Not NHS, but what’s stopping private companies from purchasing from pfizer at 10x markup and selling to willing customers?

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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A 90 year old woman in a nursing home is not spreading COVID. Wouldn't it make more sense to give this to people who are most at risk of spreading it, not dying from it? Why wouldn't we go at the root cause of the pandemic; young healthy asymptomatic spreaders?

You are not looking at the whole picture here.

The uk is vaccinating according to risk of death, and risk of occupying a hospital bed first. Not the risk of catching or passing it.

THe big concern in this pandemic has been hospital usage. once your hospital is full everyone starts dying not just covid patients. We were about two/four weeks away from collapse in london in april.

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The vaccine is not available privately in the UK. If you're not registered with the NHS, you're probably not going to be able to get vaccinated in the UK anytime soon. Even if you are registered, you will probably have to wait til late spring if you're under 50 with no underlying health issues.

This. The idea that people are planning 'vaccine holidays' is bizarre.

Perhaps it is a scam?

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Just as a side note, asymptomatic spread is a contested topic. If asymptomatic spread were a major driver of infection, this would be the first respiratory virus to work that way. Sources: - Nature study, 20th Nov https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w - Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO Emerging Diseases and Zoonosis unit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQTBlbx1Xjs - Fauci in 2018 https://www.youtube.c…

This is missing the point and reeks of intellectual dishonesty. Asymptomatic has a strict definition. You get the virus and nothing happens to you. This is what the WHO and Fauci are referring to. But most "asymptomatic" cases aren't. They are either paucisymptomatic (you have mild symptoms - maybe too mild to notice) or pre-symptomatic. Obviously if people were only contagious if showing symptoms, the pandemic would…

> They are either paucisymptomatic (you have mild symptoms - maybe too mild to notice)

Or you notice them but because they also match symptoms of colds and allergies, and you’ve been getting them on and off for months, you assume they aren’t COVID.

I don’t think there has been an interval longer than a week since February during which I didn’t have at least a couple symptoms that could have been COVID.

I’ve not had the taste/smell loss, and all my contact with other people has been masked and brief, and I’m in an area where spread has been low, so I’ve probably not had it, but I wish we had widespread cheap testing so I could know.

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No, you do, because no matter the age, the family members still want to have a chance of survival of their loved one. My distant relative (70 year old) was in ICU for 30 days, and on ventilator for 14 days. Yes, that is a very long time for ventilator usage, and every day more on a ventilator increases the death rate probability percentage.

At the age of 90, your lungs are too fragile to be put on a ventilator. It was one of the reasons academics overestimated the number of ventilators required for COVID.

its really not that simple, it turned out that the stats we were working from were wrong (well done china...) but also ventilators are not great for covid patients. Its much better to slap them with oxygen.
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