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First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by Wintamute »

madeofpalk wrote: post #23
Wintamute wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a side note, asymptomatic spread is a contested topic. If asymptomatic spread were a major driver of infection, this would be the first respiratory virus to work that way. Sources: - Nature study, 20th Nov https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w - Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO Emerging Diseases and Zoonosis unit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQTBlbx1Xjs - Fauci in 2018 https://www.youtube.c…

My casual understanding was that there werent really any asymptomatic spreaders, just "not symptomatic yet ". Is this wrong?

I'm not aware of stats relating to how many asymptomatic individuals go on to develop full blown symptomatic Covid-19. My assumption is that testing PCR positive while remaining asymptomatic the entire time is by far the most common experience.

Of course, whether you go on to develop symptoms or not, its still highly pertinent information if asymptomatic spread is not a major driver of infection. As long as you self isolate upon symptom onset that should be enough. It does call into question whether isolating the apparently healthy is an evidence-based public health policy intervention though.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by _lbaq »

idnefju wrote: post #34
lagadu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All countries will have covid forever[0]: it's an endemic disease to nearly all continents now, much like the flu or aids. [0]for values of "forever" that don't go into the far future where viruses may have a cure or an effective form of erradication.

Australia doesn’t have it. Wasn’t impossible, just had to stop air travel and lockdown for a period. Now the only people with COVID are returned Australian travellers from overseas who have to go on hotel quarantine

Helps to have no land borders, not saying Australia didn’t do a great job curbing it ..

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by raverbashing »

Wintamute wrote: post #18
aphextron wrote: post #3

A 90 year old woman in a nursing home is not spreading COVID. Wouldn't it make more sense to give this to people who are most at risk of spreading it, not dying from it? Why wouldn't we go at the root cause of the pandemic; young healthy asymptomatic spreaders?

Just as a side note, asymptomatic spread is a contested topic. If asymptomatic spread were a major driver of infection, this would be the first respiratory virus to work that way. Sources: - Nature study, 20th Nov https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w - Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO Emerging Diseases and Zoonosis unit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQTBlbx1Xjs - Fauci in 2018 https://www.youtube.c…

This is missing the point and reeks of intellectual dishonesty.

Asymptomatic has a strict definition. You get the virus and nothing happens to you. This is what the WHO and Fauci are referring to.

But most "asymptomatic" cases aren't. They are either paucisymptomatic (you have mild symptoms - maybe too mild to notice) or pre-symptomatic.

Obviously if people were only contagious if showing symptoms, the pandemic wouldn't be.

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Post by robjan »

peteretep wrote: post #30
thisistheend123 wrote: post #2

I live in India. I am already hearing companies offering planned month long vacation tours to UK/US where you could get yourself vaccinated with vaccines that aren't available in India.

That seems bizarre — you’re much more likely to be able to get it privately in India or Thailand or any other country that has good healthcare for the rich and few qualms about allowing people to buy in private stock. Much easier to pay $500 to a private clinic in Mumbai than fly to the West and hope that you can convince the state to provide it

The state will not provide it to non-residents. As soon as you arrive in the UK, immigration stamps "no recourse to public funds" in black all-caps into your passport as a friendly reminder.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by wrinkl3 »

idnefju wrote: post #34
lagadu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All countries will have covid forever[0]: it's an endemic disease to nearly all continents now, much like the flu or aids. [0]for values of "forever" that don't go into the far future where viruses may have a cure or an effective form of erradication.

Australia doesn’t have it. Wasn’t impossible, just had to stop air travel and lockdown for a period. Now the only people with COVID are returned Australian travellers from overseas who have to go on hotel quarantine

Yeah but for how long? Unless Australia is willing to keep screening all arrivals and containing outbreaks indefinitely, Covid is gonna start circulating there at some point.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by PurpleFoxy »

_lbaq wrote: post #42
idnefju wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia doesn’t have it. Wasn’t impossible, just had to stop air travel and lockdown for a period. Now the only people with COVID are returned Australian travellers from overseas who have to go on hotel quarantine

Helps to have no land borders, not saying Australia didn’t do a great job curbing it ..

Does it really? Has it been found that a significant source of infections was illegal immigration? Or that without it there would not have already been internal spreading?

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by Mirioron »

cpfohl wrote: post #35
mikepechadotcom wrote: post #32

I feel like mRNA vaccines have huge potential, but I am really, really concerned about potential side effects. Does anyone know which other helper-substances are inside the vaccine, besides the RNA?

Adjuvants in modern vaccines are extraordinarily well studied and safe. Current side effects include 6-24 hours of feeling totally crappy. Still beats Covid-19...

How modern is "modern" here? Because the whole Pandermix saga happened only a decade ago and some are pointing towards the combination of the adjuvant and antigen: https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948/rr-22

Considering that this doesn't seem to be a settled question, I'm not so sure that it makes sense to blindly trust that everything will be alright in the current, rushed, case.

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Post by tibbydudeza »

mikepechadotcom wrote: post #32

I feel like mRNA vaccines have huge potential, but I am really, really concerned about potential side effects. Does anyone know which other helper-substances are inside the vaccine, besides the RNA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Idb_lCU4o

by Ninja Nerd Lectures

This is the best science based informative video I have seen on how these different Covid vaccines actually work.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by taejo »

wrinkl3 wrote: post #45
idnefju wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia doesn’t have it. Wasn’t impossible, just had to stop air travel and lockdown for a period. Now the only people with COVID are returned Australian travellers from overseas who have to go on hotel quarantine

Yeah but for how long? Unless Australia is willing to keep screening all arrivals and containing outbreaks indefinitely, Covid is gonna start circulating there at some point.

They could make proof of vaccination an entry requirement. Combine that with widespread domestic vaccination and you've got a very good chance of containing any infections that make it into the country.
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