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SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Post by WizardAustralis »

njarboe wrote: post #118
WizardAustralis wrote: post #115

With all the positive talk on here, I shall present a contrary point of view on this. This is the YouTube channel Common sense skeptic, that seems to be doing a good job if trying to test Musks/SpaceX claims, typically it is not positive at all. It is clear they have an axe to grind with Musk but they seem to doing a very good job of backing up their criticism s. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgKWj1pn3_7hRSFIypunY…

Why are people even interested in peoples' opinions on how other people might fail? Musk has said that he thought SpaceX had a less than 10% chance of even getting a rocket to orbit when he founded it, but trying was worth it anyway. Now that SpaceX has built an orbital booster that comes back to land at the launch site like in the fucking cartoons in the 1950's, why would one spend time thinking about if they will f…

It isnt so much a case of schadenfreude but more a case of seeing what issues still need to be addressed.

Personally I would love nothing more that to see the doubters get shown up by the likes of SpaceX actually going out there and making it all actually happen.

It is when legitimate issues are being brought up but arent being actively addressed by the likes of SpaceX that is when one has to wonder about how the upper ends of the business is skewing the marketing/output of the company.

I am reminded about the slogan of r/realtesla - revolutionary technology, awful company. I fear that, what if a company like SpaceX over promises and under deliv ers and causes more damage to the field long term than if they had not done anything at all?

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

betwixthewires wrote: post #91

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

> Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context

Its not really a user guide though. More like a brief, very high-level technical spec. Marketing material.

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Post by ritchiea »

randomsearch wrote: post #114
betwixthewires wrote: post #91

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

I realise that Musk has flaws and has received criticism for the spat with the cave diver, ignoring COVID, and labour issues. Want to add that caveat. But beyond that, I feel like in terms of what he's doing Musk is some sort of time traveller, back from the future to boost humanity's progress. Why is he such an outlier? What can we as individuals learn from him? And more importantly, how do we make more Elon Musks?

What has Elon Musk done for humanity? He got extremely wealthy from a payment processing website. Now he runs a company that makes luxury cars and another one that is or aims to be a global military arms logistical network [0].

If I had to pick amongst the exorbitantly wealth, without any serious research I'd say we need more people like Bill Gates.

0. https://futurism.com/the-byte/spacex-building-military-rocke...

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Post by nexuist »

digdigdag wrote: post #50
Ballu wrote: post #44

"The cargo version can also be used for rapid point-to-point Earth transport." Why no one is talking about this. This will be game changer if can be done with bigger payload. There are models created earlier that using rocket technology/mechanism, LA-HK can be reached in 2 hours. This can have huge impact on avionics esp with trade.

Ask yourself -- what object would be so massive and heavy and yet needed with such immediacy that a company would be willing to pay millions -- perhaps beyond the cost of the object itself -- to ship in a sub-orbital manner? Large and critical infrastructure components like generators, large piping and ducts, etc. are already transported at a fraction of the cost by the likes of the AN-225 Mirya within a matter of ho…

> what object would be so massive and heavy and yet needed with such immediacy that a company would be willing to pay millions -- perhaps beyond the cost of the object itself -- to ship in a sub-orbital manner?

The human ego. Rich people.

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Post by ben_w »

rlt wrote: post #72
fastball wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem is you kinda need a spaceport at the destination so that the starship can get back to you.

You might be able to have a hub and spoke model, where the Starship drops off its cargo then hops back to a hub for stacking on another Super Heavy.

Given the drone ship landings of the Falcon first stages, I wonder: could you land a Starship on a US aircraft carrier?

And the obvious next question: given Musk is happy to take ship names from pop culture and sci-fi, might he name one of the Starship vehicles “Enterprise”, and could the Starship Enterprise land on the USS Enterprise (CVN-80)?

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Post by ben_w »

mikewarot wrote: post #75
luma wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anywhere on the globe in less than an hour... plus months of planning and days of preparing the launch vehicle. How fast can one "scramble" a Starship off the ground?

The cost is likely to fall in the 1%-3% range of that of a C-17. The War Department could buy 100-200 of them for the cost of 2 C-17 Globemaster IIIs. I would be interested to see if some form of portable, quickly constructed landing pad could be deployed, much like the mats used as runways during WWII.

Do they need a landing pad? They have to be capable of landing on unimproved martian or lunar rock, with enough spare capacity for either the fuel for a return flight (from the moon) or a local fuel generator (from Mars).

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Post by emteycz »

mhh__ wrote: post #92
emteycz wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like people had no idea about sharing stuff on the network before him, though. Tim Berners-Lee made the first web browser, but it was evolution of previous ideas and the third small step of a revolution, not a gamechanger by itself.

It's not like Elon Musk either stands solely on his own shoulders either, or has any real engineering role in the company. Tim Berners-Lee not only actually did it but also helped guide it through standardization and other things like that.

He has a huge role as a visionary, hype man and investor.

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Post by [deleted] »

WizardAustralis wrote: post #135
mlindner wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between discussing legitimate issues versus going on a tirade rants full of misinformation to prove your point. That's what these channels do. For example one of their videos says that Starship isn't possible because of space radiation. Which is a much discredited idea and has been for years.

The issues of space radiation is far from discredited. It is one.of the major issues that still doesn't have an elegant solution. One.idea that SpaceX is proposing is to try and get the trip to Mars to 6 months. It will still be a serious issue but it would at least be better than the typical trip proposal. One of the reasons I posted that channel was because they seem to have really done their research far beyond th…

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Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Post by InTheOldWest »

schappim wrote: post #56

Just a heads up, you can extract a great widescreen desktop image from the cover page background[1]. [1] Yup, I know the guide says: "no portion hereof is to be copied, reproduced, or disseminated without the prior written consent of SpaceX".

Lovely! Thanks.
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