"The cargo version can also be used for rapid point-to-point Earth transport." Why no one is talking about this. This will be game changer if can be done with bigger payload. There are models created earlier that using rocket technology/mechanism, LA-HK can be reached in 2 hours. This can have huge impact on avionics esp with trade.
Ask yourself -- what object would be so massive and heavy and yet needed with such immediacy that a company would be willing to pay millions -- perhaps beyond the cost of the object itself -- to ship in a sub-orbital manner? Large and critical infrastructure components like generators, large piping and ducts, etc. are already transported at a fraction of the cost by the likes of the AN-225 Mirya within a matter of ho…
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Man, people have been citing "basic economics" at musk for over a decade. You can't break into the US automotive industry with an independent startup, you can't cut launch costs by an order of magnitude, there's no market for a global constellation of LEO networking satellites, you can't double the number of sattelites in orbit in 5 years, the list goes on. I don't bet against Elon Musk anymore. If you've ever paid m…
To be fair, SpaceX hasn't cut costs by an order of magnitude. They've made things significantly cheaper, but the list price for a barebones Falcon 9 is about $50-60m, while an Atlas V is around $100-120m.
Well, they’re targeting launching much more mass than F9 for a much lower cost with Starship (<$10M). So not done yet, but it seems like they have a good shot at it. And if they pull off orbital refueling, then they can take those huge amounts of mass to geo and beyond.
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#113Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…
But he still hasn't been able to build a subway system in LA.
Yea, politics are hard to avoid. This is one reason he wants to create a city on Mars. Having a frontier again where some people can build up society from scratch could be great for humanity. Time will tell.
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#114Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…
I realise that Musk has flaws and has received criticism for the spat with the cave diver, ignoring COVID, and labour issues. Want to add that caveat.
But beyond that, I feel like in terms of what he's doing Musk is some sort of time traveller, back from the future to boost humanity's progress.
Why is he such an outlier? What can we as individuals learn from him? And more importantly, how do we make more Elon Musks?
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#115With all the positive talk on here, I shall present a contrary point of view on this.
This is the YouTube channel Common sense skeptic, that seems to be doing a good job if trying to test Musks/SpaceX claims, typically it is not positive at all.
It is clear they have an axe to grind with Musk but they seem to doing a very good job of backing up their criticism s.
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#116I got really excited that the PDF download seemed substantial as it took relatively longer to complete. Only to be mildly disappointed that it's only 5 pages long...
Amazing how this is all quickly coming to fruition that there isn't enough time to fully assimilate.
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#117Do any other launch service providers, like United Launch Alliance, make these specifications publicly available (without needing to sign an NDA or whatever)?
Yes. Here's Delta IV: https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/rockets/delta-...
And the one for Soyuz from Arianespace
https://www.arianespace.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Soyuz...
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#118With all the positive talk on here, I shall present a contrary point of view on this. This is the YouTube channel Common sense skeptic, that seems to be doing a good job if trying to test Musks/SpaceX claims, typically it is not positive at all. It is clear they have an axe to grind with Musk but they seem to doing a very good job of backing up their criticism s. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgKWj1pn3_7hRSFIypunY…
Why are people even interested in peoples' opinions on how other people might fail? Musk has said that he thought SpaceX had a less than 10% chance of even getting a rocket to orbit when he founded it, but trying was worth it anyway. Now that SpaceX has built an orbital booster that comes back to land at the launch site like in the fucking cartoons in the 1950's, why would one spend time thinking about if they will fail instead of how great it would be if they succeed. You can't short SpaceX stock.
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#119With all the positive talk on here, I shall present a contrary point of view on this. This is the YouTube channel Common sense skeptic, that seems to be doing a good job if trying to test Musks/SpaceX claims, typically it is not positive at all. It is clear they have an axe to grind with Musk but they seem to doing a very good job of backing up their criticism s. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgKWj1pn3_7hRSFIypunY…
No one cares about this shit anymore. Everyone and their uncle had a Youtube channel telling us why Crew Dragon would fail because they used electron for their interface or Tesla would fail because they don't understand what Real Car Companies™ do or Tesla is just a bunch of techies who think they can solve other problems because they can write software or Space X is doomed because their rocket exploded once.
Well, it's over. The naysayers know fuck-all. They just know how to talk and talk. Meanwhile someone out there is walking the walk. It's over. The contrary position is dead.
Musk makes the one in a million shot nine times out of ten.
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#120"The cargo version can also be used for rapid point-to-point Earth transport." Why no one is talking about this. This will be game changer if can be done with bigger payload. There are models created earlier that using rocket technology/mechanism, LA-HK can be reached in 2 hours. This can have huge impact on avionics esp with trade.
That seems very expensive and inefficient compared to planes or ships. What's the use case you're imagining where a plane is just too slow? The only thing I can think of is if some service like FedEx can amortize the cost of the launch across a very large number of low-mass items and charge a premium for fast delivery. Still, I'd assume that this would use vastly more fuel per mass of cargo moved than a plane, and sh…
Sometimes it isn't speed. Sometimes it's about not having to go through everything in between.