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Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by linmob »

beyondcompute wrote: post #51

It’s not obvious for me why wouldn’t they install better cameras. For me camera system is one of the most important parts of a smartphone specification. Don’t those makers realize that there are people for whom those things are important?

With the PinePhone 5MP is the limit of the AllWinner A64 SoC, and IIRC it‘s similar with the Librem 5. Also, it‘s important to remember that what makes smartphone cameras great is an advanced software stack, which does not exist for GNU/Linux yet (developments like the Megapixels app are showing some promise though).

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by floatboth »

Meanwhile in the "repurpose existing phones" camp: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/SDM845_Mainlining

Yeah, sure, the Librem5/Pinephone boot directly into open source firmware instead of some Qualcomm monstrosity that even acts as a hypervisor, but. Near-mainline Linux with GPU support on actually powerful devices with 3-ish-GHz fast cores, 8GiB RAM, and so on. And you can buy these on the used market rather than investing in more new e-waste.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by linmob »

cookiengineer wrote: post #33

I own a Pinephone with the latest revision board which was bought in the July 31st batch this year (and got shipped in September/November within the EU). I have to say that hardware-wise, the Pinephone got very _very_ far already. It's an amazing hacker's device, especially with the USB-C host. The only issue that persists is software. Phosh is pretty much useless because not a single app will work as a real mobile a…

Firefox is bearable with firefox-mobile-config, and Chromium can be usable now (not on all distributions yet): https://fosstodon.org/@linmob/105334115920899338 (Also, Plasma Mobile‘s Angelfish Browser is quite good, it works on Phosh too).

BTW: May I add your Browser to https://linmobapps.frama.io?

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by fsflover »

floatboth wrote: post #62

Meanwhile in the "repurpose existing phones" camp: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/SDM845_Mainlining Yeah, sure, the Librem5/Pinephone boot directly into open source firmware instead of some Qualcomm monstrosity that even acts as a hypervisor, but. Near-mainline Linux with GPU support on actually powerful devices with 3-ish-GHz fast cores, 8GiB RAM, and so on. And you can buy these on the used market rather than i…

GNU/Linux phones provide a few things which are not achievable elsewhere: convergence, lifetime updates, killswitches and so on.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by cookiengineer »

linmob wrote: post #63
cookiengineer wrote: post #33

I own a Pinephone with the latest revision board which was bought in the July 31st batch this year (and got shipped in September/November within the EU). I have to say that hardware-wise, the Pinephone got very _very_ far already. It's an amazing hacker's device, especially with the USB-C host. The only issue that persists is software. Phosh is pretty much useless because not a single app will work as a real mobile a…

Firefox is bearable with firefox-mobile-config, and Chromium can be usable now (not on all distributions yet): https://fosstodon.org/@linmob/105334115920899338 (Also, Plasma Mobile‘s Angelfish Browser is quite good, it works on Phosh too). BTW: May I add your Browser to https://linmobapps.frama.io ?

Oh, didn't know about the firefox-mobile-config. Does this also change the UI layout for the buttons, similar to Android's UI for fennex/fenix?

> BTW: May I add your Browser to https://linmobapps.frama.it?

Sure, of course, but as I said it's still very prototypical and needs a lot of work :)

PS: Really nice blog you got there! How's your experience with Lorimi so far?

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #57
dleslie wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PinePhone is _so close_. Some suggestions, as a user, to get it over the edge: 1. Every app in the Manjaro distribution that ships pre-installed should at least fit on the screen; many apps have popups that do not. 2. Dialing should never cause a reboot; calling voicemail has crashed the phone for me. 3. Either give up on having a camera or make it _fast_. 4. Some kind of loading indicator for apps would be nice.…

> Every app in the Manjaro distribution that ships pre-installed should at least fit on the screen; many apps have popups that do not. Sounds like an issue you should bring up with the application authors. These are usually easy fixes. > Either give up on having a camera or make it _fast_. We've already seen demos of the camera running at 60fps. Why would you want people to "give up" on a perfectly achievable goal?

Camera framerate may have been fixed, but just opening the camera app on Mobian takes a few seconds. People are used nowadays to their camera app opening near-instantly, so they can capture fleeting moments.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by baybal2 »

freeopinion wrote: post #20
baybal2 wrote: post #10

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> There are solutions to this. Obvious solutions. But it would imply paying more for stuff. Well, even if you do, you are up to myriad of other issues. The progressing general business unfriendliness of the West will not go anywhere. If it does not go, the situation will not change even if you put 1000000% tariff on Chinese goods. I myself been working on setting up a small knock down kit assembly factory 6 years ago…

Trump just fought China with tariffs. That is not the answer and I don't think is one of the "obvious solutions" referenced. Let me put it this way... Should we allow a factory in Indiana to avoid environmental regulation if they just pay a 30% tariff? Is it ok to have a 5% mortality rate at a factory in Alabama if they pay a 60% tariff? Should U.S. companies be allowed to just pay fees to become exempt from FDA/EPA/…

> Should we allow a factory in Indiana to avoid environmental regulation if they just pay a 30% tariff? Is it ok to have a 5% mortality rate at a factory in Alabama if they pay a 60% tariff? Should U.S. companies be allowed to just pay fees to become exempt from FDA/EPA/OSHA/etc. rules?

People keep talking about environmental regulation, but I'd say that they alone do not account even for a few percents of all problems hampering US manufacturing.

Same is for labour rates, US labour rates in non-flyover states are already lower than in South China...

Seeing people keep talking about that, and fail to see way bigger elephants in the room.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by mariusor »

O1111OOO wrote: post #27

> For the vast majority of people, the Librem 5 and Pinephone are probably not worth even considering. The GNU userspace and associated “mobile” paradigms within it are very much not ready for daily use. > Linux phones are definitely not yet ready to be daily drivers Despite the author making this point twice and some of the negativity regarding Purism's pricing - I still feel very good about the state of Linux phone…

Sailfish OS, MeeGo and Maemo have been proving it since 2009. I've been running linux on my phone since 2012.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by Fnoord »

girvo wrote: post #28
O1111OOO wrote: post #27

> For the vast majority of people, the Librem 5 and Pinephone are probably not worth even considering. The GNU userspace and associated “mobile” paradigms within it are very much not ready for daily use. > Linux phones are definitely not yet ready to be daily drivers Despite the author making this point twice and some of the negativity regarding Purism's pricing - I still feel very good about the state of Linux phone…

My Nokia N9 proved to me that a Linux-based phone without having to be an entirely different world like Android is possible — and I’m stoked to see Librem and the PinePhone take this even further! We’ve come a long way since the OpenMoko :)

As did my Nokia N900 more than 10 years ago.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Post by modo_mario »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #5
renewiltord wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any? It costs the Earth to build in America. It might not even be possible. Maybe you can assemble in America but it seems like a fool's errand. Like five people want this and they're also so obsessive about other things that they won't buy your stuff unless it's perfect anyway.

The problem in the US is that everything is aligned against making stuff here. The unions have been in damage control mode for decades, trying to avoid losing the factories that employ two hundred to the more automated factories that employ twenty, but then as a result losing 100% rather than 90% of the jobs to China. We impose labor and environmental rules on products made in the US but don't require the same standa…

> The unions have been in damage control mode for decades, trying to avoid losing the factories that employ two hundred to the more automated factories that employ twenty, but then as a result losing 100% rather than 90% of the jobs to China.

Eh aren't they basically non existent? Like 6.2% unionised in private industry and that tends to be more in other industries.

I find it hard to blame them for this later migration. Hell if you'd take their lobbying on foreign policy they'd probably be fairly protectionist.

At the end of the day I think the major dealbreaker is that everything in china whether it's low skill labour or high skill labour like engineers automating things is cheaper and that the capabilities exist. (Some part of bumfuck Africa or SEA might also be cheaper but not have these capabilities) There's also plenty of competition there driving those prices down vs...well what's left in the US and EU.

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