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SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

100 people was for the ITS, an earlier concept with a 12 meter diameter. The 9 meter Starship would presumably hold fewer people.

The PDF document we are discussing says 100 people in it.

The PDF document we are discussing was published in March; A lot has changed since then.

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Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

100 people was for the 12m diameter ITS version - Starship is 9m diameter and the internal volume is more like ISS sized. Still amazeballs though!

The 100 people figure is for a pure passenger version for short journeys, fitted out like an airliner.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starship carries 100 metric tons, a C-17 only about 70, but can get there in 90 minutes, which could be critical for the military.

But does that include the load-out time? I'd imaging the process for loading a C-17 and getting it in the air is much quicker than for this Starship.

I'd expect loading+unloading to be similar in duration once the program has developed far enough.

The limiting factor that I think is prohibitively limiting starship from dropshipping cargo, is the need for a landing (and launch!) site, an optional SH booster for the return flight and 1200 tons of methalox fuel to get the ship back to base for reuse (4800 with SH booster). So it'd need the rocket equivalent of an airplane carrier, which has not been developed yet.

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With all the positive talk on here, I shall present a contrary point of view on this. This is the YouTube channel Common sense skeptic, that seems to be doing a good job if trying to test Musks/SpaceX claims, typically it is not positive at all. It is clear they have an axe to grind with Musk but they seem to doing a very good job of backing up their criticism s. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgKWj1pn3_7hRSFIypunY…

There's a difference between discussing legitimate issues versus going on a tirade rants full of misinformation to prove your point. That's what these channels do. For example one of their videos says that Starship isn't possible because of space radiation. Which is a much discredited idea and has been for years.

The issues of space radiation is far from discredited. It is one.of the major issues that still doesn't have an elegant solution. One.idea that SpaceX is proposing is to try and get the trip to Mars to 6 months. It will still be a serious issue but it would at least be better than the typical trip proposal.

One of the reasons I posted that channel was because they seem to have really done their research far beyond the typical "it wont work, just because". It is biased still but at least they arent just firing blind.

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To quote Crocodile Dundee: "that's not a user guide".

SpaceX do amazing things, and shows that private space is good. But you have to admit that government space programs have better public documentation. The ISS operating guide, in all it's glory:

http://spaceref.com/iss/operations.html

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#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask yourself -- what object would be so massive and heavy and yet needed with such immediacy that a company would be willing to pay millions -- perhaps beyond the cost of the object itself -- to ship in a sub-orbital manner? Large and critical infrastructure components like generators, large piping and ducts, etc. are already transported at a fraction of the cost by the likes of the AN-225 Mirya within a matter of ho…

power station transformers? not sure if they are too heavy for starship, but loosing enough of those can take hundreds of millions of households offline for a long time. also, in a much darker turn of events: organs for billionaires and political leaders.

reply to self: I wanted to write hundreds of thousands first and then changed my opinion to millions. hundreds of millions is probably hyperbole except for a solar storm or a global nuclear war.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

#139

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format...

SpaceX is an amazing company made up of some incredibly talented people, and that includes the sales and marketing department.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

#140

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

I realise that Musk has flaws and has received criticism for the spat with the cave diver, ignoring COVID, and labour issues. Want to add that caveat. But beyond that, I feel like in terms of what he's doing Musk is some sort of time traveller, back from the future to boost humanity's progress. Why is he such an outlier? What can we as individuals learn from him? And more importantly, how do we make more Elon Musks?

> And more importantly, how do we make more Elon Musks?

Cloning. Which he's probably already working on.

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