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If you have a family, it's more like $2500/month for healthcare.
Wow, this is literally more than I make after tax :( And I have a senior IT job at a multinational. But I suppose wages take this into account. High rent prices, healthcare etc. Otherwise people wouldn't be able to live off their wage.
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The average US insurance copay for a doctor's office visit is, wait for it, $20. Retail health care is not where the expense insanity in the US system kicks in.
What's your point? This is more or less the end of the road in Sweden and Finland with regards to fees/co-pays, there's no difference with regards to severity. Not sure why you guys are so eager to try a "it's actually pretty much the same as here" when it clearly requires an extremely superficial look.
The US health care system has deep, systemic problems! It's just probably not the copay problem.
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The average US insurance copay for a doctor's office visit is, wait for it, $20. Retail health care is not where the expense insanity in the US system kicks in.
What's your point? This is more or less the end of the road in Sweden and Finland with regards to fees/co-pays, there's no difference with regards to severity. Not sure why you guys are so eager to try a "it's actually pretty much the same as here" when it clearly requires an extremely superficial look.
It’s a couple of hundred dollars a year more than Finland or Sweden, but nothing dramatic.
And the fees/co-pays are of course not the end of the road. People in Sweden and Finland pay a lot more taxes. They pay thousands of dollars more every year, even when they don’t get sick. Median after-tax disposable income, according to the OECD, is $14,000-16,000/year more in the US than Finland or Sweden.
Now, of course, Americans spend a significant part of that difference on deductibles, premiums, etc. But in most states it’s a few thousand dollars a year on average. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2...
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It's the difference between a junior and a senior. The latter has better expectations of what one can get done in an average workday, and the confidence to push back with "sorry, looks like this thing's more work than expected, going to need another two days for it". Btw. Looks like the Great America is woke and hates you for the word 'union' you used in your comment.
> Looks like the Great America is woke and hates you for the word 'union' you used in your comment. Someday maybe our betters in Europe will understand that the American experience with unions is different than that of Europeans. And that American unions are a very different animal. Until that time, though, keep thinking we're just idiots.
A short googling for for "history of workplace safety in the us" reveals that unions had a hand in at least that. Probably in several other things you take for granted.
In my opinion it's a mistake to think that things like that cannot deteriorate away after they've been achieved once.
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What's your point? This is more or less the end of the road in Sweden and Finland with regards to fees/co-pays, there's no difference with regards to severity. Not sure why you guys are so eager to try a "it's actually pretty much the same as here" when it clearly requires an extremely superficial look.
You don’t have to speculate about this stuff. The OECD tracks out of pocket healthcare spending: https://www.oecd.org/health/health-systems/OECD-Focus-on-Out... It’s a couple of hundred dollars a year more than Finland or Sweden, but nothing dramatic. And the fees/co-pays are of course not the end of the road. People in Sweden and Finland pay a lot more taxes. They pay thousands of dollars more every year, even when…
In the sunny day scenario. Why can't you stop cherry-picking?
> And the fees/co-pays are of course not the end of the road. People in Sweden and Finland pay a lot more taxes
It's the end of the road with regards to the topic. point-of-service fees. Taxes are assumed already - you get something obvious in return, you do not need to worry about healthcare for you entire life, even if you've been unemployed for a long time.
> Median after-tax disposable income, according to the OECD, is $14,000-16,000/year more in the US than Finland or Sweden.
Given the US's lack of welfare services this also seem to be a sunny day scenario. Your costs for daycare, education, rents etc are significantly higher and require that kind of disposable income to just save up to. Furthermore, this is only relevant if you think that more disposable income somehow automatically translates to more happiness and quality-of-life, which we know that it doesn't beyond a certain point.
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What's your point? This is more or less the end of the road in Sweden and Finland with regards to fees/co-pays, there's no difference with regards to severity. Not sure why you guys are so eager to try a "it's actually pretty much the same as here" when it clearly requires an extremely superficial look.
I don't know who "you guys are"; I'm a liberal Democrat and Rayiner is not. I'm just saying that in the retail health care setting we always seem to be talking about, the cost-sharing expectations of Europe are quite comparable to those of insured people in the US. This is a problem for people whose argument about the failings of US health care condenses to "insurance isn't enough". The US health care system has deep…
Well, if so, your seemingly minor differences judging from the threads you both participate in here on HN seems pretty much symptomatic for US politics to me. Two parties, both business parties, and minor differences in their realpolitik.
> It's just probably not the copay problem
I'm regularly hearing stories about people having to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for procedures, even chronic things like insulin.
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> I hear that in the US people will lose their healthcare when they lose a job and it could cost $1000 a month (which is more than my monthly rent)! This is true with some caveats: If you lose your job, you lose health insurance from the job by default. But in general you have a choice to buy the same plan you had, at the full cost (including whatever the employer used to pay), which can, yes, be $1000/mo — or signif…
I’m having a hard time figuring out if you’re trying to paint a rosy or a bleak picture.
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I suspect that was a proposition from some out of touch internal bank junior who had no idea how badly that would go down with the general public let alone the whole "bringing the employer into disrepute" aspect.
Well, the article speaks of "Deutsche Bank strategists" and "experts", and it is Deutsche Bank Research that made the suggestion. Digging further, the person who made the suggestion is a "Macro Strategist" doing "Macro Research", certainly not just a junior. https://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/RPS_EN-PROD/PROD000000000051... there are countless articles to be found about this if you just look for anything like "working f…
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Do people pretend to be sick to use up their X days? Many people want to have as many days off as they can. If so, you could be in the same situation, call in saying your sick to use all your days then really get sick at the end of the year. If the answer is no, perhaps that is due to cultural differences. It's my impression that folks in Norway are more responsible in many regards compared to Americans.
The difference is probably at least partially cultural, but probably not due to some kind of a single factor such as "responsibility". I'm not from Norway, but other European countries also have systems that are more or less similar. Where I live, I think most adults would find it socially rather unacceptable to abuse a sick leave, at least on a regular or systematic basis. Getting caught would be rather embarrassing…
I also see the opposite impact both for me and my staff. It's very difficult to say no to the constant demands of children at home and the lack of physical distance makes it hard for me to concentrate on my work during regular work hours.
Note that this legislation has been in preparation before the pandemic. It is not a response to working from home increasing in 2020.
My current thinking on the matter is, would be neat, it might be possible, but IDK whether it would be useful. If types are inferred completely, i.e. there's no actual type definitions, perhaps things not even having types themselves, but rather just rules extracted and tested such that the compiler evaluates and says "yup you can pass X into F" (which may be all you can say in cases like the omega combinator--there's no "type" you can associate with it afaict), then there's nothing to apply type classes to. "Can't have type classes, without having types". Also it takes away one of the big advantages of defined types (records / classes), in that you can do `.` and get precise autocomplete. If everything is just inferred, then the editor can't help you out as much.
Anyway, was just curious if you got anywhere.