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72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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You’re exactly right. Furthermore, an external box is easy to replace when it breaks or becomes obsolete. What are you going to do when the embedded OS in your sly TV is no longer supported? No thanks. My TV is a monitor, only. It has never been, nor will ever be, connected to my home network after I first brought it home and updated its firmware to whatever was current at the time.

I bought a Sony bluray player for the bedroom; it had Netflix etc on it, and seemed like it would be a good compromise between it and adding a disc player and AppleTV. About six months ago, the Netflix app stopped working. No updates available, just useless.

Speaking of Netflix, some users had been left out in 480p land when the DRM module was likely broken and used to rip high quality streams, so Google adjusted the certification level to Level 3 (software-based decryption).

https://old.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/jq9wdb/netflix_cap...

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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This isn't difficult: TVs should not be "smart". TVs should be incredibly dumb. They should be screens for displaying stuff. That's it. Nothing else. No network connection of any kind, no apps, no software beyond that necessary to do basic setup of how that screen works: brightness, input selection, etc.

I think I read somewhere that it will soon be more cost effective to build in cellular chips into "smart" devices like this to circumvent people who don't connect them to the internet.

This is the main use case of 5g iirc. Enabling millions more devices to connect to the network. What an absolute nightmare we are about to enter. "Just don't connect it to the network" is no longer a valid answer.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Yes, and there are a lot of good reasons for that! The two functions become obsolete at different rates, and people have different needs for each of them, so it's the right place to put an abstraction layer. When I buy a computer monitor, I can pair it with any computer I want. I can upgrade the graphics card or processor independently of the monitor. I'm not locked in to a particular computer based on the features o…

>The two functions become obsolete at different rates The implication here is that the connectivity tech goes obsolete quicker than screen tech. That has traditionally been true, but has it been over the last 5 years or so? We don't even have to get into the specific display technology. Just from a feature perspective, there has been a lot of innovation in screens including 4k, HDR, and high refresh rates.

New monitor comes out with higher resolutions and hdr? Don't care, old one still works.

New streaming service comes out and there isn't an app for it on my device? Or security updates stop being pushed and now my device is part of a botnet? Now I care.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Yes, and there are a lot of good reasons for that! The two functions become obsolete at different rates, and people have different needs for each of them, so it's the right place to put an abstraction layer. When I buy a computer monitor, I can pair it with any computer I want. I can upgrade the graphics card or processor independently of the monitor. I'm not locked in to a particular computer based on the features o…

You just solved your own problem. Don't buy a TV, buy a monitor. (Some people also buy projectors.)

They don't sell huge 4k monitors in individual quantities.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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This isn't difficult: TVs should not be "smart". TVs should be incredibly dumb. They should be screens for displaying stuff. That's it. Nothing else. No network connection of any kind, no apps, no software beyond that necessary to do basic setup of how that screen works: brightness, input selection, etc.

You’re exactly right. Furthermore, an external box is easy to replace when it breaks or becomes obsolete. What are you going to do when the embedded OS in your sly TV is no longer supported? No thanks. My TV is a monitor, only. It has never been, nor will ever be, connected to my home network after I first brought it home and updated its firmware to whatever was current at the time.

I have this issue today. Got a 5 year old samsung TV that was the top of the line at the time and its still more than good enough as a panel but the built in OS has been updated a few times and now its so slow its painful to simply change the channel by pressing the numbers and turning up the volume.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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DoH is unfortunate.

I run my own custom openbsd router and use IP masquading to re-route any traffic on port 53 to my local dns server. My local server does caching, ad blocking, DoH resolution. Obviously with applications using their own DoH resolution this breaks as my local dns server gets bypassed.

Any application ignoring dns in a dhcp lease are bad net citizens unless the app gives the option to explicitly turn this on or off.

It’s also planed obsolescence, what happens when the hard coded dns servers get turned off? Everything just breaks.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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> Google Assistant built in https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/shield/ Being internet connected is one thing (which it looks good for), but having an active mic in the room is a whole other level of "no thanks" from me.

So disable/don't use it? It doesn't even actively listen for "ok google", it only listens if you hit the assistant key. If you ever have an android phone in your home, it's exactly the same thing (except the phone actively listens by default). Edit: Also, for fucks sake, context. The person I'm replying to is talking about getting his parents a SmartTV (way worse privacy-wise than Google), for the convenience factor.

And then they forget to update it or nvidia discontinues it and someone hacks in to it and your room mic gets posted on one of those open ip camera lists.

This is not some tin foil hat idea. You can go on reddit and browse peoples personal spaces being broadcast for everyone to see.

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At some point, most of those things are going to stop working but the screen will still be perfectly fine. What are you going to do with it then?

I don't know-- plug a $30 Chromecast or Roku into the back and keep going?

My samsung tv was connected to the internet which let it auto update and now the basic ui like volume changing is incredibly slow. Its super painful to just switch between hdmi devices.

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Seriously this thing has four hdmi ports and even a composite video input. It is the superset of dumb TVs.

Dumb TV's had ports forever. How else would people have connected their video sources?

My dumb tv has 4 hdmi and like 3 different composite inputs

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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The Amazon Fire TV does this already :( If it doesn't see internet it just blocks itself and goes to a screen "Oops I have no internet". So you can forget about watching movies from your local server using the VLC app as well. Ridiculous.

You can go to settings > installed application and lunch VLC or anything else directly from there

I'm pretty sure the last time my internet was down I couldn't get into anything but the wifi settings. But I'll try it next time, thanks for the tip!
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