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72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by willis936 »

beisner wrote: post #102
willis936 wrote: post #54

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I don’t understand the downvotes. Google has a long history of killing projects. Of all the public DNS to trust, why does anyone have confidence in Google? Because they’re big? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 1500 times...

There are two classes of Google products: ones that are small user applications, and ones that are core infrastructure internally and externally. As far as I know, only the former have a reputation for being EOLed. DNS is the latter. Google’s RSS reader was the former.

The future is uncertain. Google has a history of canceling services and gives no signs of changing their behavior. Even if they made public acknowledgments hand waving “oh it’s these services not those other ones”, why would I fee any better? Google needs to spend a lot of time building trust. They don’t have it.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by sircastor »

mikro2nd wrote: post #138
zo1 wrote: post #123

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Sure, till they start adding cellphone-tower enabled connectivity. Your move, consumer.

I live outside the cellphone coverage area. Your move, manufacturer.

... for now. Cell coverage isn’t shrinking.

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

acdha wrote: post #172
syshum wrote: post #148

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At this point Mozilla is just the Non-profit Arm of Google, They do what google tells them.... and DoH is absolutely designed to get around network based security and filtering, both for Ad's and other reasons.

> At this point Mozilla is just the Non-profit Arm of Google, They do what google tells them You can just say you don’t follow this closely. Mozilla is not perfect but they do push for privacy, with an increasingly limited amount of negotiating power. > DoH is absolutely designed to get around network based security and filtering, both for Ad's and other reasons. This is similarly reflecting a poor understanding of t…

DoH absolutely can get network filtering: if I block port 53 outbound to control DNS queries within my network, DoH (and other tunneling technologies) is bypassing my network filtering of DNS.

Re: 72% of smart TVs and 46% of game consoles hardcode DNS settings

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Post by o-__-o »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #137
jon-wood wrote: post #10

I’m responsible for a bunch of IoT hardware, and every firmware spec I write includes a note on not using the DNS servers provided via DHCP. While sure there are companies explicitly doing this to avoid filtering, at least in my case it’s because a significant proportion of DHCP servers are configured to send DNS to your ISP, and ISP provided DNS is almost universally terrible. They’ll ignore TTLs, rewrite NXDOMAIN r…

What a terrible state of affairs we're in now that you can't trust the network's own DNS. Please consider making it an advanced option to switch back on the DHCP provided address.

> Please consider

When you are contracted to build something to spec and you don’t build to spec, you don’t make any money. If you push back on the requested spec, the client will leave and go to another company thus leaving you without any money.

What I’m trying to say unless you are writing the spec, you usually have no chance to change anything

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Post by acdha »

jsnell wrote: post #144
willis936 wrote: post #54

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I don’t understand the downvotes. Google has a long history of killing projects. Of all the public DNS to trust, why does anyone have confidence in Google? Because they’re big? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 1500 times...

Because you made a zero effort joke that has been worn to the absolute bone by people repeating it thousands of times per year in HN comments, rather than at least putting in a bit of thought as to what the risk is for this service. Here's a quick attempt: Track record: 8888 has been running for more than ten years. Popularity: It appears to be incredibly widely used; e.g. a research paper from 2013 claimed it was se…

On the business value front, I’d also bet that they see value from the data visibility front since that gives them a chance to identify malware and phishing domains early and the terms of service appear to allow aggregate activity data mining. It’s not as precise as Google Analytics, of course, but it works on many things which don’t have JS beacons and I’d be surprised if they couldn’t find a good deal of useful information from that stream.

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Post by shawnz »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #183
acdha wrote: post #172

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> At this point Mozilla is just the Non-profit Arm of Google, They do what google tells them You can just say you don’t follow this closely. Mozilla is not perfect but they do push for privacy, with an increasingly limited amount of negotiating power. > DoH is absolutely designed to get around network based security and filtering, both for Ad's and other reasons. This is similarly reflecting a poor understanding of t…

DoH absolutely can get network filtering: if I block port 53 outbound to control DNS queries within my network, DoH (and other tunneling technologies) is bypassing my network filtering of DNS.

By the same logic HTTPS is bypassing your network filtering of every service which happens to have an alternative available over HTTPS. So do you block HTTPS?

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Post by Zhenya »

Dahoon wrote: post #93
sokoloff wrote: post #55

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The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act of 1975 ensures that’s not the case in the US. I suspect something similar is true in EU. For the manufacturer to avoid a warranty claim due to a modification or aftermarket part, they must show that the defect was linked to the part or modification. They might have to show that it was caused by , but in any case, if your paint fails prematurely, they can’t say your warranty is void bec…

To get 5 stars by EuroNCAP (and AFAIK EU law demands it too) the car have to call 911/112 automatically if it detect a crash. I doubt you can remove telemetry without also disabling this. If you do the car is illegal.

Illegal to sell by the OEM or illegal to drive? Two very different things.

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Post by thatguy0900 »

zo1 wrote: post #123
fred_is_fred wrote: post #32

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Just don’t ever connect it to your network.

Sure, till they start adding cellphone-tower enabled connectivity. Your move, consumer.

Don't even need this, with projects like Amazon sidewalk they can mooch your neighbors secured wifi
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