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What are the arguments about racism that were suppressed? The paper that didn't pass internal review was about the external costs of training large models (correction: the paper also discussed language models not adhering to anti-racist language standards).
Race comes up several times in the article. Did you miss it?
I was a little disappointed in the quality of this research. I can see where Google is coming from. Some of these topics seem regurgitated (e.g. bias in online text) and some are just irrelevant (CO2 emissions). Training language models does not contribute in any meaningful way to global CO2 emissions. Overall not a very strong paper in contrast to the other reactions I've been seeing online.
Training language models does not contribute in any meaningful way to global CO2 emissions. Google consumes a vast amount of energy: "10.6 terawatt hours in 2018, up from 2.86 terawatt hours in 2011."[1] If training and retraining models is a significant and inefficient part of google's energy consumption, the point doesn't seem insignificant(edit: The most advanced AI model involve as much as computing and energy an…
I'm guessing the vast majority of the energy usage is for serving billions of requests for various products, such as search, youtube, maps, gmail, photos, etc.., and the cpu, network, and storage requirements for those requests.
Training and retraining ML models is definitely not on the hot path.
I have a genuine question: If a person of color (I am myself non-white) is not performing, what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you? Are we creating a society that makes it impossible to fire a person of color? You know there are bad apples in every race, right? How do we handle such scenarios? Seems unfair to me, myself being a person of color - I don't want the world to t…
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I removed it. I know its going to be downvoted though. Because it is going against the grain on HN. But, I am being respectful. We've created an atmosphere of fear. I don't feel comfortable voicing my opinions even after being anonymous on the internet. That's pretty fucked up.
Sorry, I know this is somewhat off-topic, but I feel like it is important to engage on a human level for a minute. I’m genuinely sorry to hear that you feel uncomfortable voicing your opinions. I know from personal experience how hard it is to feel like you have to keep yourself closed off to the world. As a species generally, and as technologists specifically, we have some way to go to create non-toxic spaces for pe…
I have a genuine question: If a person of color (I am myself non-white) is not performing, what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you? Are we creating a society that makes it impossible to fire a person of color? You know there are bad apples in every race, right? How do we handle such scenarios? Seems unfair to me, myself being a person of color - I don't want the world to t…
Great question. Part of the reason why the black unemployment rate is so low is that it's virtually impossible to fire them.
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You’re going to be downvoted, not because of your questions, but because you decided to put “please bring the downvotes” at the end of your comment. Why would you undermine yourself by sticking such an antagonistic comment at the end of your post?
I removed it. I know its going to be downvoted though. Because it is going against the grain on HN. But, I am being respectful. We've created an atmosphere of fear. I don't feel comfortable voicing my opinions even after being anonymous on the internet. That's pretty fucked up.
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Sorry, I know this is somewhat off-topic, but I feel like it is important to engage on a human level for a minute. I’m genuinely sorry to hear that you feel uncomfortable voicing your opinions. I know from personal experience how hard it is to feel like you have to keep yourself closed off to the world. As a species generally, and as technologists specifically, we have some way to go to create non-toxic spaces for pe…
Thanks, I read your comment in its entirety. I think we need more people like you. Disagreements about issues and these things happen all the time. My fear was founded in the fact that people perceive me as either 1) Faking as a non-white person (see some accusations here) 2) On top of that, accusing me of being racist. The truth cannot be more further from that. 3) Downvoting because its a difficult conversation. 4)…
Now...try this instead. Think of downvotes as someone anonymously throwing a tantrum with a keystroke because their tender tender feelings were hurt.
That, my friend.. is not your problem.
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I find these CO2 arguments from model training extremely misleading. If this is what you care about, why don't you actually try to make electricity cleaner. Realistic, that's a much more effective way to address this tiny issue, together with the grand total of 50% of humanity's CO2 emissions on top. To me it always seems like virtue signalling, showing that you "care", while not having to actually make any realistic…
Of course. Wasn't Google prioritizing green energy for their datacenters?
Google is the largest corporate purchaser of renewable energy in the world
> An AI model taught to view racist language as normal is obviously bad. The researchers, though, point out a couple of more subtle problems. One is that shifts in language play an important role in social change; the MeToo and Black Lives Matter movements, for example, have tried to establish a new anti-sexist and anti-racist vocabulary. An AI model trained on vast swaths of the internet won’t be attuned to the nuan…
What the AI should say is hard given that there is no one right answer to the question of what any individual should say. Different contexts change the equation completely. Seems like a nightmare to define the behavior or test it.
The right solution may involve training a model on everything we have access to and finetuning it based on the context you want to use the model in and the historical examples we will build up of mistakes previous models have made.
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Should companies publicly present their side of the story for every firing?
This seems an extreme solution to media investigation of a small number of people losing their jobs Perhaps instead, in these situations, employers could provide, at the discretion of the dismissed, information gathered while performing due diligence leading up to the dismissal