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> Every single PoC who is fired gets this media attention. No, they don't.
I think you're agreeing with someone being sarcastic. But it is text, so one can't be sure.
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The common "nice" way to remove non-performers is a "Reduction in force", also known as "layoff" where they let multiple people go ritualistically, though I've seen it for as few as two people. Then they can argue it was about finances, not personal. They offer a decent severance that requires the employee to sign an agreement that requires, in part, they don't sue. The word "fired" often is reserved for terminating…
Employers need solid documented reasons for firing someone. Fired person needs proper recourse for appealing it if they felt it was unfair. Going to NYTimes is OK if there is solid proof of racism, the company needs to face the consequences - both legal and public image / media perception. If the fired person goes out to media and brings down the company without proof - we need to have mechanisms for that as well - I…
I have a genuine question: If a person of color (I am myself non-white) is not performing, what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you? Are we creating a society that makes it impossible to fire a person of color? You know there are bad apples in every race, right? How do we handle such scenarios? Seems unfair to me, myself being a person of color - I don't want the world to t…
None of this comment has anything directly to do with the article; the article is just a coat rack these arguments are being hung on.
IMO it enriches HN comment sections to allow for people to bring up adjacent topics, things that came to mind or funky little "this reminds me of..." anecdotes.
I have a genuine question: If a person of color (I am myself non-white) is not performing, what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you? Are we creating a society that makes it impossible to fire a person of color? You know there are bad apples in every race, right? How do we handle such scenarios? Seems unfair to me, myself being a person of color - I don't want the world to t…
For them to be one of 99.9% of the world who can't mobilize a following to create a complaint about this?
Are we creating a society that makes it impossible to fire a person of color
We so far from such a situation like that that your complaint is absurd. A few places with a history of discrimination may have trouble firing the few people of color they might hire. That's about it. In the real world, incompetent people get fired and often competent people as well. A few people may make a career of playing the race card but that's a limited number of people.
Both racism and opportunists "playing the race card" can be real at the same time.
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I think you're agreeing with someone being sarcastic. But it is text, so one can't be sure.
The problem with sarcasm on this issue (beyond the inherent ambiguity of plain text sarcasm) is that this is something you can see people saying literally (or, at least, as what they see as only a slightly hyperbolic description of a real trend that they are complaining about.)
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Downvote goading, things like 'the entire world playing the race card on you' are basically trolling, they don't sound like asking a question in good faith. This particular case is also not about someone being fired for 'not performing' - nobody has claimed that. So if trolling is not your intent, you should edit it down to whatever it is you are actually asking.
That's why I removed it. I am asking the questions in good faith. I want to know how the society will avoid having chilling effect of not being able to fire underperformers and making difficult choices when they need to be made. If we cannot sit down and have a peaceful conversation, calling trolls and other non-sense, please don't divulge in this thread.
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> what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you? A workplace that isn't hostile to people of color and evidence of the cause of dismissal
I personally think that just the way the employer is required to document the reasons for firing, the person going off on media must also provide proof that they were being treated unfairly.
> It will also fail to capture the language and the norms of countries and peoples that have less access to the internet and thus a smaller linguistic footprint online. The result is that AI-generated language will be homogenized, reflecting the practices of the richest countries and communities. It seems amusing to read this when the same person and her followers hounded Yann LeCun for pointing out the same thing wi…
Maybe if you have an unpopular language, that's just unfortunate and please encourage your kids to learn English (which they probably do at school just about everywhere anyway) so you don't perpetuate the same problem to the next generation.
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I personally think that just the way the employer is required to document the reasons for firing, the person going off on media must also provide proof that they were being treated unfairly.
Most people who get fired don't the option of going to media. The way "star" researchers and the way average employees get treated is going to be different whether we're talking white or non-white.
Since media cannot cover thousands of individual cases, there should be legal avenues without deep pockets for lawyer fees to sue companies for racist behavior.
The court should look at this situation objectively and factually.
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1438 pounds of CO2 is 250 liters of gasoline, or thereabouts, that's pumping gas five times. How long does a tank of gas last the average Google employee? Less than a week, considering what East Bay traffic looks like. People get paid to publish that stuff?
The issue isn't how much BERT uses, the issue is the trend over time in how much models use, with BERT being a recent data point. The whole point of having AI ethicists is to identify current indicators of potential future ethical problems so that they can be considered in guiding the direction of development, so that you minimize acute ethical crisis.
You realize the shear scale of co2 output the office the engineers who wrote the model, drove to work, education, etc produced.
I’m actually suprised just how small of a co2 output it was.