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EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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This is terrible. I would not want a third party to dictate the the hours I work for my employer.

There are situations where I'd like to guarantee to my employer that I'll do my best to be available 24/7. This regulation would restrict my ability to negotiate.

Shame on the EU.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

#362

I'm very happy to see that the German tax break is basically the opposite of what Deutsche Bank Research suggested, namely extra taxes for people who WFH, because they "contribute less public transport and the economy", and should "pay a tax for that privilege". They suggested the employer pay it, but still. https://www.handelsblatt.com/finanzen/banken-versicherungen/...

I suspect that was a proposition from some out of touch internal bank junior who had no idea how badly that would go down with the general public let alone the whole "bringing the employer into disrepute" aspect.

Well, the article speaks of "Deutsche Bank strategists" and "experts", and it is Deutsche Bank Research that made the suggestion. Digging further, the person who made the suggestion is a "Macro Strategist" doing "Macro Research", certainly not just a junior.

https://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/RPS_EN-PROD/PROD000000000051...

there are countless articles to be found about this if you just look for anything like "working from home tax deutsche bank", for example:

https://www.dw.com/en/deutsche-bank-proposal-to-levy-income-...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/deutsche-bank-proposes-a-5pe...

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

#363
post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American developer can retire in 1/3 to 1/2 the time of the Finn. And yes, I'd say working a bit more for that is an obvious yes.

>The obsession of American developers with retirement tells a lot about what they think about their jobs. Funny how Europeans are crowing in this thread about how Americans need unions for better pay, but when Americans say they have better pay Europeans just say Americans are obsessed with money. The obsession with Americans tells a lot about what Europeans think of their system

I think you have replied to the wrong comment.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

#365

Hopefully this can reduce the number of globally distributed teams. I mean, I love the global teams I'm working with but the need for after hours meetings is not worth it. I'm not really a big pro nationalism person, but at least a preference to being in the same time zone makes sense.

Yes, I too love it when legislation discourages people from working with others around the world. We will never achieve world peace if we let people from different timezones collaborate.

We can ease immigration policies. I don't see forcing your workforce into 24/7 mode as the correct approach to world peace.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

#366
post #106

You got to admit that the EU at least has the courage to take some controversial measures in the best interest of their people. I can't see this soon enough, I have family that answer emails in vacation all the time, that get phone calls like its nothing. I know people that connect everyday from home to the office network to work one or two hours (extra) otherwise it's impossible to keep up with the workload. Most ma…

it's not really the EU, it's the parliament, which can't legislate and has no way to force the parts of the EU that can to do anything

journalists often report that the EU "lawmakers" are doing something when in it's really the parliament passing non-binding resolutions that don't do anything

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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post #128

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Historically, when sick and vacation were more typically separate pools, the answer was definitely it depended. It's not hard to find studies showing that Mondays and Fridays saw a disproportionate number (i.e. not just 20%) of single day sick days. And, I'm sure, the pattern wasn't spread evenly across everyone. Personally, although I've fortunately had much need to take an appreciable number of sick days, I favor t…

At this point in the conversation I don't understand why any employee would want them to be separate. Doesn't that just work to the company's benefit? They want you to be there as many days as possible Why wouldn't you want all the sick+personal days to use as you see fit?

>Why wouldn't you want all the sick+personal days to use as you see fit?

Another thing that is important to point out is that leave days are sometimes an earned entitlement ultimately paid out to you if not taken, whereas sick leave isn't.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

#368

I don't really need that. My work is my hobby and even before Corona things were intermixed completely. If someone pings me at 11pm from the US with a major issue and I have nothing better to do, Call of Duty can wait till tomorrow :P I like helping people and it helps relax my mind knowing that in the morning there hasn't been a major escalation building up over the last 8 hours. And they know I'm in Europe so they…

Totally agree that it should be a choice. Companies should choose to spend more for 24/7 on call by hiring more people.

You, in turn, can choose to work for another company with flex hours while keeping your current position.

Everybody wins.

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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post #182

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> There’s no such this as “overtime” in most salaried jobs though. You’re paid just for being an employee, not for hours worked. If there's no concept of overtime in most salaried jobs, there's a problem with your country as well. I'm a salaried, full-time employee and I'm paid to work 37.5 hours a week, no more, no less. And the collective agreement for IT services industry (which is what concerns me as a developer)…

And you probably get paid 1/3 to 1/2 of what a developer in the US can make. The reality of the world is that if you're the lead developer for some product you will have times that you need to work off hours. Like if production is down how can you say: "My 40 hours is up this week, I'll look at it on Monday". It's a balance. You shouldn't routinely be working a ton of nights and weekends. But sometimes shit hits the…

> Like if production is down how can you say...

Come on, man, it's not your company and if they're not paying you for that time, it's not your responsibility. Volunteering your time for someone else's business? Is this really what you want to do with your life?

Re: EU pushes for 'right to disconnect' from work at home

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>I know people that connect everyday from home to the office network to work one or two hours (extra) otherwise it's impossible to keep up with the workload. Then the work doesn't get completed on time! That's bad management not hiring enough people, not the fault of the employee. SMH y'all IT people need a union.

> Then the work doesn't get completed on time! Do you realise in some fields work not getting completed on time could in some cases cause people to die? Sometimes there is an emergency, and a professional saying 'sorry nope on vacation your fault for not having enough people to cover every eventuality' just isn't reasonable.

> Do you realise in some fields work not getting completed on time could in some cases cause people to die?

It doesn't work like that.

> Sometimes there is an emergency, and a professional saying 'sorry nope on vacation

Why are they relying on someone that is on vacation in the first place?

Are firemen supposed to not go on holiday ever during their work life?

That's simply the symptom of very bad management and on a larger scale of a very disfunctional society.

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