Pfizer chairman: We're not sure if someone can transmit Covid after vaccination

Post by _skel » Fri, Dec 04, 2020, 5:09 AM UTC

elicash wrote: post #23

I've seen this point made repeatedly, but haven't seen what scientists think is LIKELY -- based on similar vaccines, based on initial data, whatever. I don't know if scientists GENUINELY have no clue, or if maybe we think it'll likely be good news but can't say it yet because we're worried that people will get a vaccine and then behave irresponsibly. It sounds like we're going to start giving this vaccine out without…

Post by mulmen » Fri, Dec 04, 2020, 5:16 AM UTC

soupfordummies wrote: post #30

hprotagonist wrote: post #14

I certainly intend to stay masked up post-jab(s). I think a month or so after the final dose it will be at the point where any viral load i might be spreading would be pretty much trustable to be at trivial levels, so that's my minimum duration. After that, I'll continue to follow public guidance from local health folks. I don't mind masking up for flights/travel for a bit, or whatever, either, if it shakes out that…

That’s an excellent point about the shoes that I hadn’t put together. I think the vast majority of us think the shoe thing is stupid but we do it cause it’s that or not fly. If only we could get mandated masks, I think we’d already be out of the woods. Although I regularly see <2 unmasked folks total in the grocery stores around me, it’s a fairly liberal area so I’m just rambling now so have a good safe holiday time.

Post by tylerhou » Fri, Dec 04, 2020, 5:32 AM UTC

AndrewBissell wrote: post #40

XorNot wrote: post #37

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Millions. There will be millions of needless deaths. Without containment measures, you no longer have hospitals (either they're full, or the staff are burned out and quit, probably both) for any life-threatening conditions. The staff thing is the one people seem to completely not get: hospital staff are under absolutely no obligations to keep working overtime shifts. They can in fact simply decide "I'm done" walk off…

> Without containment measures, you no longer have hospitals (either they're full, or the staff are burned out and quit, probably both) for any life-threatening conditions. Doesn't seem to be the case so far in Sweden. In fact Minnesota's per-capita rate of COVID deaths just surpassed Sweden's even though they've done much more in the way of lockdowns. Seem to be some confounding variables at play here besides "are y…

Post by tylerhou » Fri, Dec 04, 2020, 5:36 AM UTC

XorNot wrote: post #35

tylerhou wrote: post #20

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> Until now the line I have kept hearing is that there is no such thing as herd immunity except that which is realized through universal immunization. You were either hearing the wrong information or misunderstanding it. Herd immunity is absolutely real, and can occur if a virus infects enough people (or enough people are vaccinated). When more people are immune, it will be harder for the virus to spread to a new hos…

Herd immunity through infection without a vaccine has never been a serious concept. The scientific community only produced any literature on it in response to requests by governments about what would happen if they did absolutely nothing.

Post by notRobot » Fri, Dec 04, 2020, 5:39 AM UTC

FruityCoconut wrote: post #47

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #45

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> wear a mask because it works It doesn't. The masks are there only for psychological comfort, they're no more effective in preventing an autoimmune disease like covid than a tin foil hat.

There's a clever little meme floating about showing a perfectly normal, happy, healthy, unmasked family with the caption "conspiracy theorists" and then in the adjacent panel a visibly paranoid person with a mask and face shield captioned "normal person". Cheap, but clever.