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Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by eloff » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 8:26 PM UTC

gwd wrote: post #143

eloff wrote: post #3

What sales, they hardly had any stock available. I've been trying since the release to get my hands on a Ryzen 5900x and they're sold out everywhere. I'm trying to get on a waiting list for it now, fingers crossed that they can deliver before the new year.

> What sales, they hardly had any stock available. Out of curiosity, are you trying to buy a chip , or a system ? If the latter, is it possible that it's a problem with PC makers not assembling enough AMD systems, rather than AMD not making enough chips? I'm asking because for a long time Intel would have deals where they'd give PC manufacturers a hefty discount if AMD were less than 10% of their sales; such that the…

It's the chip in this case.

Intel did a pretty dirty thing there, how they haven't been slapped down for abusing a monopoly is beyond me. Do antitrust laws have any teeth in the US anymore?

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by mfkp » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 8:30 PM UTC

zaxcellent wrote: post #194

mfkp wrote: post #121

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I just received my similarly spec'd T14s AMD yesterday. I opted for the low power, high NIT screen as well. How do you check if you got a good screen?

I first checked which panels were the good ones here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-s-Panel-Lottery-continu... , which indicates Innolux is the panel to get. Then I went to https://support.lenovo.com/ie/en/partslookup and punched in my serial number, located near the bar code on the bottom of the laptop. From the "Parts" tab select the "Commodity Type" as "LCD PANELS" and you should see something like "FRUofAU…

Thanks for the links. Looks like I also got the AUO display (FRUofAUO14.0FHDIPSAG).

Edit: looks like you can get the Innolux on eBay for around $100 (shipped direct from China). Might have to consider that.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by distances » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 8:40 PM UTC

sandGorgon wrote: post #139

There's something wrong in this story. The IdeaPad Slim 7 4800u, a laptop that has been called "too good to be true" has been put of stock due to 4800u supply issues for months. It's super hard to find any laptops with high end (comparable to i7/i9) processors. I'm totally unsure where is the stock coming and going. Tinfoil hat tells me that Intel is buying up all the supply!

These charts were only about desktop processor sales. I believe there wasn't a single laptop processor in the data, which makes sense as you don't buy laptop processors individually.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by distances » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 8:45 PM UTC

mikepurvis wrote: post #45

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

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>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

I can't find it listed on the website, but does it really not have a USB-C/Thunderbolt port? My XPS connects out to a dock via USB-C that then goes to two displays, one on HDMI and the other on displayport. I assumed this kind of setup was fairly standard, but that's awful if Intel is using their muscle to prevent it on non-Intel HW.

Thunderbolt isn't available on AMD laptops. You do get USB-C 3.1 Gen 2 (10Gbps) which is enough for 4K 60Hz, but I can't say about two high-res monitors.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by distances » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 8:47 PM UTC

war1025 wrote: post #119

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #44

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I don't see why your preferences should have an impact on my needs for 4k screens or vice-versa.

Well it really doesn't. I was mainly asking for the conversation of it and to see what people had to say about the matter.

For me, 38" monitor has been a game changer for productivity. That's not quite 4K but very close.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by distances » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 8:57 PM UTC

kllrnohj wrote: post #125

fastest963 wrote: post #71

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I have a dock with two 4k 60hz DisplayPort monitors that runs off TB3. Afaik that's not possible over USB.

TB3's display output is just displayport. Identical to displayport over USB-C. You're only giving up the data part of TB3.

TB3 is 40Gbps, USB-C 3.2 10Gbps. 4K@60Hz is possible over USB-C but 4K@120+Hz only with TB3 AFAIK (or dedicated DP cable of course).

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by kllrnohj » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 9:15 PM UTC

distances wrote: post #216

kllrnohj wrote: post #125

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TB3's display output is just displayport. Identical to displayport over USB-C. You're only giving up the data part of TB3.

TB3 is 40Gbps, USB-C 3.2 10Gbps. 4K@60Hz is possible over USB-C but 4K@120+Hz only with TB3 AFAIK (or dedicated DP cable of course).

The 40Gbps is for the data connection of TB3. The display part of TB3 is independent and is just DisplayPort. Both TB3 and USB-C alt-mode can do DisplayPort 1.4, assuming both sides support it of course. TB3 only actually requires DisplayPort 1.2.

There's actually no difference here whatsoever on the display-only side of things.

(side note, USB 3.2 achieves up to 20Gb/s, not 10Gb/s, and TB3 is also realistically only 20Gb/s as well unless you're sticking to the super short 0.5m cables)

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by recursive » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 9:21 PM UTC

noir_lord wrote: post #206

jjoonathan wrote: post #162

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...at elevated prices. "How much blood did the leech suck?" is a valid question. Dollars would be better units than number of video cards, but the number of video cards passing through the leeches correlates and is still meaningful.

Same with the Series X, I want one of the boy for Xmas, co-worker of my missus managed to get 5 of them, he wanted 650 for a console he paid 450 for. I told her to tell him where to shove it. It's not that I can't afford it, it's that scalpers can go fuck themselves, the boy will be more than happy with Quest 2 and my current gaming PC in the new year when I can build another.

And whoever ends up with the one you didn't buy will be happy too. I see this as a win/win/win.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by fgonzag » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 9:32 PM UTC

toopok4k3 wrote: post #99

eloff wrote: post #24

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My old desktop is still a beast with a 10 core Xeon and 128GB of ram. I'm investing in a new rig to speed up my rust compiles. The current machine is 4 years old now, so I can afford to wait a few months for a build that will last me that long.

Do you actually get real RoI on that thing? Must have cost magnitudes more than normal desktop hardware. Or is this where you just accept that it's worth it purely for tingling the geek inside you?

I built a TR 3960X (24 core) 32GB of RAM workstation for $3000, including a 700 dll graphics card (2080 Super). Realistically a 100 dollar graphics card would've sufficed for my usage (development). So it could've been built for $2400.

Depending on the context such a machine could be very cheap or very expensive, but even here in Mexico that's about one month of an engineer's salary, which I don't find too outrageous for a primary tool which lasts for years.

Depending on your workload, the performance improvements could be very noticeable (running multiple VMs, compiling, and unit testing at the same time). It does open up faster workflows if you adjust to the new speed.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by distances » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 9:34 PM UTC

kllrnohj wrote: post #217

distances wrote: post #216

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TB3 is 40Gbps, USB-C 3.2 10Gbps. 4K@60Hz is possible over USB-C but 4K@120+Hz only with TB3 AFAIK (or dedicated DP cable of course).

The 40Gbps is for the data connection of TB3. The display part of TB3 is independent and is just DisplayPort. Both TB3 and USB-C alt-mode can do DisplayPort 1.4, assuming both sides support it of course. TB3 only actually requires DisplayPort 1.2. There's actually no difference here whatsoever on the display-only side of things. (side note, USB 3.2 achieves up to 20Gb/s, not 10Gb/s, and TB3 is also realistically only…

Right, I was thinking of USB 3.1 Gen 2 which is 10Gpbs. Hooray for these naming schemes.

But good to know about the display connection being the same. I was under the assumption that the increased data rate of TB3 could be used for DisplayPort connection too.