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AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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What is better? Ryzen 5000 or Core i7-10700K?

Which Ryzen model exactly? I have some comparison benchmarks in my meta benchmark.

Gaming: https://www.pc-kombo.com/us/benchmark/games/cpu/compare?ids%...

Applications: https://www.pc-kombo.com/us/benchmark/apps/cpu/compare?ids[]... (that's a rather small selection though)

The 5800X is clearly faster.

It's the straightforward comparison, 8 cores/16 threads for both. Surprisingly, the 5600X is still faster - at least in games.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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There are still no XPS level laptops available with Ryzen CPUs, which makes me so sad. I'd like to upgrade my work machine but I'd prefer not to buy Intel at this time.

Unfortunately, even if there was, they wouldn't have Thunderbolt so it would limit the external display options. Hopefully when USB4 starts rolling out it'll be a different story.

This is not necessarily true. Apple sells their non Intel macs with Thunderbolt and there are some ryzen motherboards with thunderbolt support [1]. That being said, Thunderbolt is a lot less common on AMD boards probably because it is a lot more expensive then it would be on an Intel board. And Laptops so far have always received the budget treatment for ryzen chips (want a better screen? intel only, etc).

So I think lack of thunderbolt comes down to manufacturers not wanting to pay as much for their AMD R&D and keep costs down with simple, budget motherboards.

Or, if you needed Thunderbolt 3, you could just wait until USB 4 is commonplace, which is basically Thunderbolt 3 + some more.

[1]: https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X570%20Phantom%20Gaming-ITXTB3... (there are more, and even ATX boards, first one I could find).

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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I've replaced my aging and failing 2013 XPS with a Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540, cheap and slightly bigger but has a second internal M.2 slot, SD card slot, RAM upgraded to 32GB, and full size HDMI and USB A connectors for less than 900€. I'm happy with the upgrade, even if this machine won't last as long as the XPS (though its full metal case is sturdy enough).

>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

> One theory I heard is Intel requires them to sell a certain number of their chips on premium machines if they want to stay on their nice partners list and get their chips at good prices so they just gimp the Ryzen ones to force your hand to buy Intel if you want no other compromises other than an outdated CPU.

I wouldn't put this past intel, but I doubt it's even necessary.

most people that buy laptops don't know that amd is currently beating intel on price/performance in the high-end parts. to most people that have even heard of amd, it's the "budget" cpu brand.

looking at typical home user desktop/laptop configurations, it's obvious that they aren't even trying to choose optimal sets of parts for the price with most of their skus. they just slap together whatever sounds good to the median consumer.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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This is as clickbait as it gets. AMD is doing extremely well, but you need more data than sales from one random retailer, to claim they’re leaving intel in the dust.

If this article is to be believed, AMD is outselling Intel by five to one (84% of sales vs 16%). Somehow I think this would be bigger news than one person's post on Reddit (which is the "source" techradar cites as the basis for this entire article)

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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>I hope they ramp up production Every high-performance CPU released lately uses TSMC for manufacturing, which can't keep up with demand. See Playstation 5/Xbox shortages, Ryzen and Radeon shortages. I think only Apple was able to secure enough manufacturing.

Would Nvidia's shortages also fall in this bucket?

Nvidia used samsung. Rumor has it that their shortage is because they sold their cards directly to cryptominers.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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The Ryzen 5900x bests the 10900K on price, power usage, single-threaded performance and multi-threaded performance. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzen-5900x-vs-i...

My biggest gripe with amd is that I need to think about gfx card when buying one. I’d love to have a simple vega 8 in all of their cpus.

That's an understandable complaint but I believe that using a built-in GPU means it can't use ECC memory.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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My biggest gripe with amd is that I need to think about gfx card when buying one. I’d love to have a simple vega 8 in all of their cpus.

I have a hard time believing that most purchasers of high-end consumer CPUs wouldn't use a discrete GPU. What's the use-case you're envisioning where an integrated GPU is a good use of die space?

If you don't need much GPU power then having a GPU on your CPU has some benefits:

- No need for a separate component, no hassle finding a "proper" card and buying it (I.e. you only need basically a integrated GPU as a PCI card, but good look getting one, you always can get older "cheap" GPUs but then there is always the chance that because them being older the driver support started to rot.)

- Integrated GPUs tend to have reasonable good Linux driver support, at least for newish CPUs for a view years.

- No extra fan or other components which can make unwanted noise.

- One less component makes trouble shooting easier.

Tbh. if AMD would ship something like a large package (not on-die, but chiplets or otherwise packed) combining a 16+ core cpu (+hyperthreading) with a reasonable integrate GPU and ~2GB low latency RAM pro core + 3year waranty I would be quite interested in that. Some companies I worked with before would like that too as far as I can tell.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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>I hope they ramp up production Every high-performance CPU released lately uses TSMC for manufacturing, which can't keep up with demand. See Playstation 5/Xbox shortages, Ryzen and Radeon shortages. I think only Apple was able to secure enough manufacturing.

Would Nvidia's shortages also fall in this bucket?

Nvidia's RTX 3000 line is manufactured by Samsung, not TSMC.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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There are still no XPS level laptops available with Ryzen CPUs, which makes me so sad. I'd like to upgrade my work machine but I'd prefer not to buy Intel at this time.

Have you considered an Asus Zephyrus G14? It comes with a Ryzen 9 4900HS and Linus (Tech Tips) seemed very impressed with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYqG31V4qtA

No Home/End keys and no webcam. Otherwise I would've been recommending that in this reply from one.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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There are still no XPS level laptops available with Ryzen CPUs, which makes me so sad. I'd like to upgrade my work machine but I'd prefer not to buy Intel at this time.

Unfortunately, even if there was, they wouldn't have Thunderbolt so it would limit the external display options. Hopefully when USB4 starts rolling out it'll be a different story.

There is nothing stopping manufactures from including Thunderbolt.
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