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Were you a vendor or did you work in sales/management. I have honestly never seen such a scenario in swes. Would love to know more.
Both full time SWEs. The gap exists, you can ask around. It's widely known at Google.
The comments here are weird right now. They seem overly focused on the spat she and Yann LeCun had a while back when it doesn't seem like this incident is about that? Hopefully some clarification comes out about what her demands were and the internet drops their pitchfork about something that happened long ago
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I’ve always thought only SV has the freedom and power to start this fight. Then academia and other institutions can follow and ride the momentum.
Right now the only way to disagree with unethical actions by your employer is leaving; easily replaced.
The comments here are weird right now. They seem overly focused on the spat she and Yann LeCun had a while back when it doesn't seem like this incident is about that? Hopefully some clarification comes out about what her demands were and the internet drops their pitchfork about something that happened long ago
The email she posted [1] makes it pretty clear that she sent an email with some demands/conditions (separate from the one "to Brain women and allies") and said that she would resign if they weren't met. Google said they wouldn't agree to them, accepted her threatened resignation, and told her it was effective immediately. Without knowing more context, it sounds like she tried to do some hardball negotiating by threat…
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I'd never heard of this fight before, so I just looked it up. My interpretation is that he made that claim, Gebru responded by claiming that that was an overly reductionist view of things (given, presumably, the fact that biased assumptions could affect the coded assumptions as well as the training data), he maintained his opinion, and she felt frustrated that she didn't feel she was being listened to. I did not see…
Here’s a good summary: https://www.google.com/amp/s/syncedreview.com/2020/06/30/yan... I think it’s clear Gebru was acting in bad faith and LeCunn was baffled and trying to deescalate. Gebru responds to each attempt to deescalate by a reply designed to further rile up Twitter, without actually talking to any of the points LeCunn makes. Virtually all of her replies are some variant of “you are wrong, but I won’t say w…
Who ends that sentence with a smiley?
Racism exists. Pay discrimination exists. Yet, you can't go about breaking every norm and rule if you are famous and from an under-represented group. I also saw the tweets at Yann LeCun. I'm not his biggest fan, but that wasn't right. She's hurting minorities for her own agenda. Edit: removed info about myself.
I've never heard of a 300% pay gap between people doing the same job, how does that even happen? Were you paid significantly under par or did that other person somehow hit jackpot? And at what level are we talking about?
I think this is a great argument for why unionization in tech is going to be important. Right now the only way to disagree with unethical actions by your employer is leaving; easily replaced.
I'd rather they kept their powder dry to protect employees fired for things like union organisation, and protecting the workforce during large layoffs/reorgs, individuals discriminated against for their race/religion/sexuality, being compelled to take actions that are immoral/illegal etc. None of which seem to apply here.