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Re: Ethical AI researcher Timnit Gebru fired from Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of her tweets says: > I was fired by @JeffDean for my email to Brain women and Allies. In a later tweet, says she would repost the email publicly but she no longer has access to it. I'm guessing it will leak soon.

What's "Brain Women and Allies"?

Google Brain is a deep learning artificial intelligence research team at Google.

Google Brain Women and Allies is a mailing list within the team.

Re: Ethical AI researcher Timnit Gebru fired from Google

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All this says is, she sent a mail to Brain Women and Allies that resulted in her immediate termination. Does anyone else remember when she picked a fight with Yann LeCunn by deliberately misinterpreting his remarks to cast him as a racist? Seems reasonable to assume she picked another fight. Reading the Twitter threat, it reads like she made demands in a way visible to a large number of employees (something about aut…

It's not "reasonable" to assume "she picked a fight". It's not "reasonable" to fire someone for "picking a fight", whatever that is. It's awful how people are willing to be so charitable to Google here after doing the exact opposite in Damore's case.

Re: Ethical AI researcher Timnit Gebru fired from Google

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The email she posted [1] makes it pretty clear that she sent an email with some demands/conditions (separate from the one "to Brain women and allies") and said that she would resign if they weren't met. Google said they wouldn't agree to them, accepted her threatened resignation, and told her it was effective immediately.

Without knowing more context, it sounds like she tried to do some hardball negotiating by threatening to leave, and got her bluff called.

Quoting the tweets for posterity, link at the bottom:

> I need to be very careful what I say so let me be clear. They can come after me. No one told me that I was fired. You know legal speak, given that we're seeing who we're dealing with. This is the exact email I received from Megan who reports to Jeff

> Who I can't imagine would do this without consulting and clearing with him of course. So this is what is written in the email:

> Thanks for making your conditions clear. We cannot agree to #1 and #2 as you are requesting. We respect your decision to leave Google as a result, and we are accepting your resignation.

> However, we believe the end of your employment should happen faster than your email reflects because certain aspects of the email you sent last night to non-management employees in the brain group reflect behavior that is inconsistent with the expectations of a Google manager.

> As a result, we are accepting your resignation immediately, effective today. We will send your final paycheck to your address in Workday. When you return from your vacation, PeopleOps will reach out to you to coordinate the return of Google devices and assets.

[1]: https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1334364732480958467

Re: Ethical AI researcher Timnit Gebru fired from Google

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Racism exists. Pay discrimination exists. Yet, you can't go about breaking every norm and rule if you are famous and from an under-represented group.

I also saw the tweets at Yann LeCun. I'm not his biggest fan, but that wasn't right. She's hurting minorities for her own agenda.

Edit: removed info about myself.

Re: Ethical AI researcher Timnit Gebru fired from Google

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Reading through some of her earlier tweets there seemed to have been conflict around her/ her team pursuing a particular research direction or projects, directions that higher ups were not happy about because of how it might make Google look. This is ultimately the limitation of being a researcher in a company - some topics will be off limits and you’re not allowed to poke around things that will make the company look bad.

By virtue of their research area, her and her team no doubt push against this limit very often. Based on this, I’m not sure it’s possible to really pursue many lines of research inquiry into AI ethics and fairness within a place like Google.

Re: Ethical AI researcher Timnit Gebru fired from Google

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It's incredibly disappointing to see the first batch of top-level comments here. Timnit is an absolute leader and inspiration in the field, and has been outspoken in dragging the old school of machine-learning-is-money-laundering-for-bias crowd into modernity.

This move makes it clear that Google has no commitment to Ethical AI as a field; they want rhetorical cover for their ongoing bad actions.

Re: Ethical AI researcher Timnit Gebru fired from Google

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Any details on what happened? Trying to get context, I see big names professors from Stanford, Caltech, Berkeley, Cornell all commenting/retweeting on how bad this is, so it's a big deal for sure

One of her tweets says: > I was fired by @JeffDean for my email to Brain women and Allies. In a later tweet, says she would repost the email publicly but she no longer has access to it. I'm guessing it will leak soon.

She posted the email.
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