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The UK is not an island.
How so? It's a body of land surrounded by a body of water!
This explains it well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
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Because the entire subject is so politicised and polarised that even daring to ask a question that might go against the current might get you labeled as a right wing science denier racist (based on the country, different labels might apply). Edit: it's funny that the comment above gets downvoted just for asking a question. Great world we live in. We didn't learn anything from the past. Blaming and shaming gay people…
Yes, and this is a serious problem. It seems to be one camp or the other, blind fear or blind approval, with little room for thought. I honestly hate anti-vaxxers with incredible intensity now. Before they were an annoyance, now they have destroyed all intelligent discourse on this current topic. For logical concerns, another example is an earlier, mouse brain derived Japanese encephalitis vaccine. Pulled, due to sus…
Not everyone can wait this out, some old people need protection. Others just want to get on with life and not be locked up for 20yrs.
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I'm also in the autoimmune-disorder bucket. From what I understand, Covid also triggers plenty autoimmune issues, so the risk assessment does not change in a significant way.
At this point, the autoimmune dangers of vaccines are well understood but the autoimmune dangers of COVID-19 aren't. Doesn't that mean it's safer to avoid the vaccine, until that situation changes? In fact it's exactly the opposite of what many people here are saying, considering only themselves and not others, but using their own logic!
I dunno. I have an autoimmune disease. I was COVID-19 positive without any symptoms. It has been some time now. Everything is fine. With regarding to the vaccine: I do not want to risk it, when I know that I went through COVID-19 without symptoms and may just do it again and again after 6 months? They say I have 6 months of immunity.
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There are several problems with that, and they can be seen online already. 1) It is much easier to spread misinformation than to collect facts and spread real data 2) Mistrust is insidious and spreads, allowing anti-vaxers then goes into other forms of anti institutional ideologies. 3) Herd immunity. If some kid has leukimia and cannot get vaccinated, he survives thanks to everyone else being vaccinated. Some 30 year…
> 3) Herd immunity. If some kid has leukimia and cannot get vaccinated, he survives thanks to everyone else being vaccinated. Some 30 year old reactionary being an anti-vaxxer and getting covid and surviving it would be ok if he was not a vector of infection to the most vulnerable in society. 100% true, I was not thinking far enough on this.
You can develop resistance naturally. I was exposed to COVID-19, therefore I have antibodies and I am immune, supposedly for 6 months.
> You can develop resistance naturally. When your body is exposed to a virus or bacteria, it makes antibodies to fight off the infection. When you recover, your body keeps these antibodies. Your body will defend against another infection. This is what stopped the Zika virus outbreak in Brazil. Two years after the outbreak began, 63% of the population had had exposure to the virus. Researchers think the community reached the right level for herd immunity.
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The EU didn't get the data to make a decision until just a couple days ago. The FDA and UK had a head start so of course they can make an informed decision sooner. Maybe the EU should say "We haven't seen the data, but it is good enough for the UK so good enough for us.". However what if the data shows it is good enough for anyone from north-west Europe, but not anywhere else in the world - then the approval would ju…
Do you have a source for that? I’m pretty sure the EU got the same information in advance, they say on the EMA website. Why would they not?
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-receives-application-c...
Note the date, December 1.
I don't know why they got it later, just they did.
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I do not want the vaccine, but it might be mandatory here in Eastern Europe. My family member was tested positive, and I lived with him, we were under quarantine. No symptoms, ever! I do not want to the vaccine, damn it.
I don't want to have to be sober to drive my car on public roadways, and yet, here I am, acknowledging that I have some basic responsibility for the safety of people around me. This approach is incredibly selfish. Would you pursue it if you were held responsible for consequences of that behaviour, as drunk drivers are?
> This is false when it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines under development. They do not—and are not meant to—prevent people from contracting and spreading the virus. They only reduce the symptoms. This does not help herd immunity (other than perhaps allowing the virus to spread faster, I guess).
Some other HN-er said this. If this is true, then it should be my decision. Since I have been through it without symptoms, I am supposedly immune for 6 months, but even after that, I do not really care. I care about it personally as much as I care about the flu. I have not vaccinated myself against the flu in years. Let it be my decision, please. I am not an anti-vaxxer, but when it comes to the COVID-19 vaccine, I am a bit wary. I do not mind tested vaccines that have been around for decades and have been extensively researched and are pretty known to be safe.
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Sounds like they're saying Coronaviruses aren't a new thing, just that new types pop up. The CDC lists human Coronaviruses were first found in the mid-1960s [0] [0] - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
This is exactly what I am saying. They aren't new. Lysol used to advertise that it killed the corona virus on its disinfectants back in the 90s.
Ok, how is that relevant?
Coronaviruses collectively have been known for a long time, this was also true when the SARS outbreak occurred, is true during MERS.
Likewise influenza was well known before the 1917 pandemic, or H1N1.. and?
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Government is a continuum, and I don’t remember a time that it wasn’t riven with cronyism. A book came out in 2005 called The Essential Guide to Quangos and I’m willing to bet it wasn’t Blair’s government that invented them (and it certainly didn’t put a stop to them).
No government has ever or will be completely uncorrupt or efficient. Thatcher bent various rules for her shady son. Labour arranged all those dodgy PPI deals. Humans will be human. But in my 54 years on this planet and living in the UK I don't remember a government being anything like this corrupt or inefficient. Everyone politician with a brain, spine or conscience was fired and replaced by Brexit 'loyalists'. And h…
I live in Japan and the response by the government here was and is in sharp contrast to that in the UK (a super soft lockdown that ended before the summer is one example), yet it has been akin to comedy show from the beginning, before it hit the UK.
Still, there has not been the same hit from the disease, which only underlines that the differences in effect that are seen worldwide are about differences in population and geography - being overweight, having a very low friction of movement (e.g. excellent transport links, many borders), and not being low in vitamin D etc - far more than they are about government response.
I'm not saying the UK government has done well but it's striking to me that, from a distance, the criticisms of the UK and US I see coming from my friends are very similar, very parochial, and seem driven by media headlines rather than anything objectively sound.
In short, I'd give it another few years before you judge them more harshly than the government that brought us the Iraq war, for one.
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#729In terms of rollout. UK is the ideal country to be the first: 1. Heavily impacted by Covid-19. 2. Centralised health care system makes it easier to compare results and efficiency. E.g. it's UK which figured out that dexamethasone is efficient against Covid https://www.who.int/news/item/16-06-2020-who-welcomes-prelim... 3. Developed country with great logistics.
4. Is an island that can be cut off incase of a zombie apocalypse...
With an Average IQ of 100, British will find a way to prevent apocalypse :) https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
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Do you have a source for that? I’m pretty sure the EU got the same information in advance, they say on the EMA website. Why would they not?
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-receives-application-c... Note the date, December 1. I don't know why they got it later, just they did.
That’s the formal application.
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-starts-second-rolling-...
Here’s when they actually started reviewing.