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Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by Ichthypresbyter »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #158
mystcb wrote: post #95

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UK Gov originally published this as the priority interim list [1] - * older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers * all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers * all those 75 years of age and over * all those 70 years of age and over * all those 65 years of age and over * high-risk adults under 65 years of age * moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age * all those 60 years…

In Denmark where I live, a large proportion of infected people are age 20-29, and I wonder if it would make sense to vaccinate them first when you get to "rest of the population". Even though they have a smaller risk of getting seriously ill, that could be an effective way to lower transmission. That is: 1. Immunize the age group that is dominating in the hospitalization statistics, then 2. Immunize the age group is…

The Dutch said they would consider vaccinating people aged 20-29 first if the infection rate had dropped low enough once the vaccine became available.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by pjc50 »

thu2111 wrote: post #490
colinb wrote: post #265

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Your last paragraph caught my interest. Can you point me at countries that are widely accepted to have done a better job? My own experience of the NHS (as a non-Brit who lived in the UK for more than a decade) is that it is inefficient at the small things (sitting in a waiting room for an hour - but being shamed if I show up 10 minutes late for my appointment) but brutally effective at big important things (treatment…

The problem with British people's opinions of the NHS is that they routinely conflate the NHS with healthcare. (BTW, I am British myself). You're doing the same thing here. The NHS is not healthcare. The NHS is not doctors or nurses or life saving operations. The NHS is not hospitals. All first world countries have these things, but none have an NHS except Britain. The NHS is a bureaucracy that manages resource alloc…

The principle of "free at the point of use" is the critical factor in the NHS; while other countries manage to achieve that with different organisational structures. (4) is critical. Any whiff of ineligibility by payment is completely unacceptable, and rightly so, or we'd end up with the US disaster. From a political point of view, we have to defend the existing system because otherwise the US one will be forced on us. Nobody in UK politics will give us the Swiss system.

> tax funded status means the private health sector is seriously throttled in the UK

This doesn't make sense? Bupa exists?

Private health insurance is quite cheap in the UK compared to America because anything complicated or expensive can and will be dumped back on the public sector.

> this is achieved partly through building up large maintenance backlogs which is hardly sustainable: true cost of the NHS to the UK should probably be higher than is actually reported. The government has tried several times to force the NHS to spend money on maintenance and upgrades but usually fails: the NHS takes whatever money was granted to it for this purpose and immediately spends it on daily operations in violation of their agreements. Nothing happens because to Brits the NHS is a holy religion, so NHS management don't really feel accountable.

Unsourced Tory propaganda.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by DanBC »

napier wrote: post #520
aspyct wrote: post #510

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Yeah uhm... Never been to /r/asd, and now I'm slightly afraid of checking it out, seeing as two comments have been deleted :D

Some people’s insecurities make them allergic to (admittedly tenuous) attempts at humor in face of absurdities and so they downvote as if they’re on Reddit.

Alternate reading; you're just not funny.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by johnisgood »

rrss wrote: post #523
djsumdog wrote: post #493

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I'm sure that will make those 5,000 who have trouble walking or smiling feel so much better.

Worth noting that COVID-19 probably triggers GBS in some people (like many infections). So maybe the vaccine triggers GBS in rare cases, but the disease appears to also sometimes cause long term problems (neurological and otherwise). 1976 was potentially problematic because there was a massive immunization program because of fears of a pandemic, but H1N1 was not actually spreading. 2020 is obviously a different story…

I do not want the vaccine, but it might be mandatory here in Eastern Europe. My family member was tested positive, and I lived with him, we were under quarantine. No symptoms, ever! I do not want to the vaccine, damn it.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by lumberingjack »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #39
WanderPanda wrote: post #36

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Happy beta testing to all Brits then!

My 85 year old grandparents are excited, they get to hold their great grand children again. They’d be first in line if they could be.

This one is the one that makes you very sick, are they really going to risk death for less perceived risk?

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by annadane »

lumberingjack wrote: post #522
sschueller wrote: post #353

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4. Is an island that can be cut off incase of a zombie apocalypse...

Great with comments like this the site is now basically worthless reddit

I'm 99% certain the person you're replying to is kidding. I thought it was funny

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by djsumdog »

vkou wrote: post #500
djsumdog wrote: post #493

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I'm sure that will make those 5,000 who have trouble walking or smiling feel so much better.

60,000 people have already died of COVID in the UK, and many more are scheduled to, without vaccination. Hard to walk or smile when you're dead.

The vast majority of people under 50 who catch CoV2 recovery completely with minimal symptoms. There is a trade-off and people need to be able to evaluate those risk and make those decision individually.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by Ichthypresbyter »

kmlx wrote: post #237
VBprogrammer wrote: post #131

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It's a fairly stereotypical British trait to be self deprecating. If we were singlehandedly saving the world from a rogue asteroid the general sentiment would probably be "let's hope we don't mess this up".

> It's a fairly stereotypical British trait to be self deprecating. If we were singlehandedly saving the world from a rogue asteroid the general sentiment would probably be "let's hope we don't mess this up". was this always so? i've noticed this while living in London and, coming from a literal 3rd world country, I do not understand it. i'm trying to find when this started... i don't it started anytime in the recent…

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