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Sorry, do you think the UK regulator approved Pfizer based on... a press release?
Yes, it's likely. Regulators are not as independent from the industry as you think. They've been getting closer and closer over the decades. It's call corruption and it's growing.
Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
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It is of vital importance that the majority of people feel safe taking the vaccine, because you need herd immunity. If people have doubts that it has been correctly vetted they will be reluctant to get vaccinated which makes the whole investment in the vaccines pointless.
Safety tests were already completed and approved by regulators months ago. The Phase 3 trials are efficacy trials to show that the vaccine gives immunity. Certainly we learned more about the safety of the vaccines from Phase 3 data, but we already knew that adverse immediate reactions would be very rare. What's ridiculous about this situation is that the regulatory authorities are not willing to weigh against the ben…
This disease has over a 98% survival rate, and even higher if you're under 40. Many of the "long COVID" studies I've read have been in high risk or elderly people, they were limited case studies and I think a case can be made that most "long COVID" could be nocebo or mass hysteria at this point (or the fact that it could just take the body months to heal from a bad infection).
We've never approved a drug, much less a vaccine, at this speed before. Unless you go back to the days of Jenner where he just stabbed people with Horsepox and there was no real regulation or long term data collection.
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I'm sure logistics will be sold to a friend of the tories whose company assets consist of a single computer
See my previous comment about this [1] If the private company does a good job does it matter that they are mates with a tory? Seems little short-sighted of you if I must say. [1] https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/britains-innovati...
https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/13239-court-to-look-into-uk-g...
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/record-view-cron...
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Is there a high chance for it? I’d really like to know. Moderna was testing for SARS-COV-2 protection efficiency, while Pfitzer was testing for COVID protection efficiency, but they have similar targets as far as I know. I’d love to know an experts’ answer because the difference between the two is huge, I would hate myself to kill my parents by catching SARS-COV-2 after getting vaccinated.
The answer is that we don't know. But it is not unlikely. You can still get the flu even if you had a flu shot for example. Some of that may be due to the flu shot being the wrong strain but some of it is definitely due to infection post vaccination. The main reason that they recommend a flu shot is that you usually have a milder course of illness. Covid will probably be the same way. You could have mild symptoms or…
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That story can easily be told in reverse. NHS Logistics didn't run well. As is consistently true of government run organisations it was run so badly that most of the NHS didn't even try to use its services. At the time of the privatisation the NHS sourced around half a million products but only acquired 50,000 of them via NHS Logistics. The entire purpose of privatising it was to try and make it work better and thus…
You're going to have to provide sources for this lot. When we're talking about corruption we're talking about things like the no-bid contract to Platform-14 for PPE. Or the "Seaborne Freight" incident. Tiny firms and shell companies are "an organisation which had no economies of scale, nor any demonstrated expertise in logistics in a competitive environment". DHL at least has a track record of large scale delivery. >…
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-four-issues-that-hav...
"Part of the reason the UK has had difficulty in meeting the 100,000 tests daily goal was because of its focus on centralised testing centres. In contrast to the robust and wide-reaching testing programmes in Germany and South Korea, the UK government initially decided to centralise all of its laboratory testing in a few large hubs"
And yes of course there's corruption and incompetence in government - in procurement as well as everything else. The fact that governments routinely fail to even write proper contracts to buy things should give pause for thought when considering how well they'd handle running the entire operation.
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That story can easily be told in reverse. NHS Logistics didn't run well. As is consistently true of government run organisations it was run so badly that most of the NHS didn't even try to use its services. At the time of the privatisation the NHS sourced around half a million products but only acquired 50,000 of them via NHS Logistics. The entire purpose of privatising it was to try and make it work better and thus…
What's your alternative to an NHS style system?
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I don't think it is fear mongering. While the health institutes have access to the data, I don't. I don't think anyone on hacker news can make many intelligent statements about side effects, yet, though the press releases claim that they are similar to what is typical of other vaccines.
Why would you personally need access to the data unless you actually think the government would allow people to take a dangerous vaccine.
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This isn’t true. The health institutions of the respective countries have access to the raw study data which they use to determine whether or not to approve them. The amount of fear mongering in hackernews is just mind blowing.
I don't think it is fear mongering. While the health institutes have access to the data, I don't. I don't think anyone on hacker news can make many intelligent statements about side effects, yet, though the press releases claim that they are similar to what is typical of other vaccines.
They are much, much, worse but typically subside in a day and at most two. The side effects are bad enough that there is worry people won't show up for the second dose.
Still going to have it, myself.