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Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
That exact sentiment is the reason for this problem even existing. Peer review and medical journals are by no means exempt from usual human corruptions, and there is absolutely no rational way to say that certain concerns should only be allowed there, and that we should not be able to even discuss them outside of those closed circles.
> Peer review and medical journals are by no means exempt from usual human corruptions Individual instances can be found, and errors do happen. However the idea that the biggest pharma companies, integrated by incredibly talented and hardworking people, and every safety institution (The american FDA, the EU security council etc) are all so compromised as to miss real problems and purposefully endanger the population…
You don't seem to fully grasp the importance of free speech is and what it has done for the western society. What you are advocating is supressing speech, however clever little reasons you might have tried to find for it. None of the problems you described come even close to the clusterfuck of hurt we are going to experience in the society (and that other societies did and still do) if we are going to start supressing speech.
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#213Out of curiosity, how do people on HN rate the risk of long term side-effects?
We all are still waiting peer-reviewd scientific papers instead of press releases....
This isn’t true. The health institutions of the respective countries have access to the raw study data which they use to determine whether or not to approve them.
The amount of fear mongering in hackernews is just mind blowing.
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#214Out of curiosity, how do people on HN rate the risk of long term side-effects?
Hopefully the risk for long term side-effects will be lower than last time with the 2009 swine flue pandemic when my government used pandemrix. Hopefully any similar signs of long term side-effects will be discovered before low-risk groups start to receive the vaccine.
Personally since I belong to a low-risk group, there will be quite some time before the line reaches me where I need to make a decision, in which more data will be available from high-risk groups. It will also take time for my country currently pressured health care system to allocate resources for vaccinations without causing even more problems. My current estimate is many months from now.
Outside of long term side-effects I am concerned about how long the protection last. It is difficult to calculate risk without knowing that data point.
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, there’s only about 5000 deaths extra for each day of delay. So no rush there!
I am fine with the thoroughness being applied. If they get it wrong the consequences may be much worse.
Good to hear you’re fine with 100000 people dying because we need to adhere to procedure.
There is absolutely 0% chance at the end the vaccine will not be approved. But 100% chance 20 days will have been wasted.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Denmark where I live, a large proportion of infected people are age 20-29, and I wonder if it would make sense to vaccinate them first when you get to "rest of the population". Even though they have a smaller risk of getting seriously ill, that could be an effective way to lower transmission. That is: 1. Immunize the age group that is dominating in the hospitalization statistics, then 2. Immunize the age group is…
I have a suspicion that once the vaccine rolls out and is working then everybody will throw caution to the wind. It’s going to be interesting to watch this unfold.
Fully expect the same. Basically, if you are less than 65 years old and not working in one of the early access professions, forget all concerns about vaccine safety. Buckle up to face the virus natively in that third wave that will sweep through unmitigated once the high mortality groups are vaccinated.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Heard it was something like this: 1. Long-term care residents/staff 2. Hospital workers 3. Anyone 85+ years old.
UK Gov originally published this as the priority interim list [1] - * older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers * all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers * all those 75 years of age and over * all those 70 years of age and over * all those 65 years of age and over * high-risk adults under 65 years of age * moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age * all those 60 years…
Seems to have missed the extreme risk group ie those on imuno suppressants transplant patients etc.
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#218In terms of rollout. UK is the ideal country to be the first: 1. Heavily impacted by Covid-19. 2. Centralised health care system makes it easier to compare results and efficiency. E.g. it's UK which figured out that dexamethasone is efficient against Covid https://www.who.int/news/item/16-06-2020-who-welcomes-prelim... 3. Developed country with great logistics.
> Developed country with great logistics. Please don't under-estimate our ability to fuck this up, probably by giving the distribution contracts to a crony.
I'm sure logistics will be sold to a friend of the tories whose company assets consist of a single computer
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#219Serious question: if you're a young person with no health issues, should you even get the vaccine?
Of course.
There are loads of young people with the weirdest post covid complications.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/covid-long-haulers-60-minutes-...
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Peer review and medical journals are by no means exempt from usual human corruptions Individual instances can be found, and errors do happen. However the idea that the biggest pharma companies, integrated by incredibly talented and hardworking people, and every safety institution (The american FDA, the EU security council etc) are all so compromised as to miss real problems and purposefully endanger the population…
You don't seem to fully grasp the importance of free speech is and what it has done for the western society. What you are advocating is supressing speech, however clever little reasons you might have tried to find for it. None of the problems you described come even close to the clusterfuck of hurt we are going to experience in the society (and that other societies did and still do) if we are going to start supressin…
First of all, there is nowhere the concept of free speech, there are ALWAYS limits. Europe has more limits than America but both have limits.
Second, as any right free speech comes with certain responsibilities. My point is education people in using their right appropriately.
Lets get all Spiderman, great power comes great responsability. The right to free speech comes with the responsability to know when to shut up. Letting professionals speak and have the floor during events that concern their domain knowledge is a basic pre-requisite for the good ideas to flourish.