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Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by stuartbman »

jakozaur wrote: post #19

In terms of rollout. UK is the ideal country to be the first: 1. Heavily impacted by Covid-19. 2. Centralised health care system makes it easier to compare results and efficiency. E.g. it's UK which figured out that dexamethasone is efficient against Covid https://www.who.int/news/item/16-06-2020-who-welcomes-prelim... 3. Developed country with great logistics.

Re: point 2

While the healthcare is centralised, the data is not, and often poorly federated between a multitude of organisations. Scotland has unified this much more and is far better placed to monitor for efficacy and side effects.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by hardlianotion »

jcims wrote: post #223
mkl wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a strange apostrophe (it's in the official list). Or am I misreading it?

Isn’t it just plural possessive?

It is not. Its is possessive, and I don’t think I would use it to describe more than one thing.

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by Slartie »

Slartie wrote: post #142
_Microft wrote: post #5

How did they approve it that fast? Is the approval process so different and so much more efficient than the one in the EU or USA? Was it extremely rushed to make sure to get doses before they have to compete with other countries for limited supply? I'm pretty curious now. Let's hope for the best, i.e. a good vaccine, a good process and no trust problems, the latter because at least it feels rushed.

Generally approval of this is fast-tracked everywhere, but the UK being first is a political marketing stunt in my opinion. The UK government is in dire need to demonstrate positive aspects of leaving the EU, and being able to independently greenlight this vaccine first is one particularly well suited for PR. The Brits love their NHS system and healthcare in general, so hitting it home on that turf resonates with the…

To all the downvoters: they even openly kind-of-admit it, I've now got proof from the mouth of Matt Hancock, UK health secretary: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/hancock-brexit...

Money Quote: "...because of Brexit we’ve been able to make a decision to do this based on the UK regulator, a world-class regulator, and not go at the pace of the Europeans, who are moving a little bit more slowly."

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by kitd »

sschueller wrote: post #353
jakozaur wrote: post #19

In terms of rollout. UK is the ideal country to be the first: 1. Heavily impacted by Covid-19. 2. Centralised health care system makes it easier to compare results and efficiency. E.g. it's UK which figured out that dexamethasone is efficient against Covid https://www.who.int/news/item/16-06-2020-who-welcomes-prelim... 3. Developed country with great logistics.

4. Is an island that can be cut off incase of a zombie apocalypse...

5. Equipped with pubs called "The Winchester"

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by thebean11 »

mchusma wrote: post #352

This isn't "fast" we just have low expectations of our government. The FDA in the US is taking 3 weeks to reviews, about 5-10% of the entire time to develop this is just to schedule this (3rd to last) meeting. All while over a thousand people die per day (so during this waiting period something like 10x the lives of 9/11). We just spent 9 months trying to lift the ban on this vaccine. We have the technology to beat p…

Isn't this the first mRNA vaccine ever approved for use?

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Post by corobo »

DanBC wrote: post #101
jakozaur wrote: post #19

In terms of rollout. UK is the ideal country to be the first: 1. Heavily impacted by Covid-19. 2. Centralised health care system makes it easier to compare results and efficiency. E.g. it's UK which figured out that dexamethasone is efficient against Covid https://www.who.int/news/item/16-06-2020-who-welcomes-prelim... 3. Developed country with great logistics.

> Developed country with great logistics. Please don't under-estimate our ability to fuck this up, probably by giving the distribution contracts to a crony.

Even if we are looking at things that glumly, their voters are the most vulnerable to covid. They'll be on this like butter on toast.

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Post by Camas »

mkolodny wrote: post #178
YaarPodshipnik wrote: post #47

I had COVID-19 early in the year, and so did my Wife (not sure about my Daughter, harder to tell with kids). I would really like to know whether I should get the vaccine or not? All the info that's out there says that immunity to C19 is temporary, so a vaccine after having gone through it doesn't seem redundant. Does anyone know if there's been any research on effects of the vaccine on the people who got C19 and reco…

From the CDC: "People who have gotten sick with COVID-19 may still benefit from getting vaccinated. Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, people may be advised to get a COVID-19 vaccine even if they have been sick with COVID-19 before." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-b... .

>Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long.

Doesn't the evidence so far suggest the exact opposite?

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by CodeGlitch »

shrikant wrote: post #128
arethuza wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scotland seems to be using the Army to help plan the logistics side of things - don't know if this applies to the rest of the UK (I hope it does!): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-in-scotland-a...

The Ministry of Defence was heavily involved in the logistics planning and execution for the mobile testing units across England and Wales.

Yes the British MOD has a record of being very good at logistics [1]

"One country that has achieved an unparalleled level of efficiency and responsiveness in its logistics and sustainment activities is the United Kingdom (UK). The British Ministry of Defense (MOD) has wholeheartedly embraced outsourcing many of these functions to the private sector."

Also of interest: "One of the primary reasons why the MOD is willing and able to enter into long-term PBL-based service and support contracts with private companies, not just British firms but global providers, is because of its attitude towards the private sector. The MOD views the private sector as a positive contributor to their mission. It works hard to establish a collaborative relationship. MOD officials are demanding and insist on adherence to contracting requirements. But they treat the private companies as partners, not adversaries."

[1] https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/britains-innovati...

Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK

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Post by [deleted] »

free2OSS wrote: post #344
jbob2000 wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science doesn't have all the answers. My partner recently got into a heated debate with a pharmaceutical company she was working for because they wanted something added to their standards of care document for a rare genetic disorder they developed a therapy for. She couldn't find a study to backup the claims that the medical team wanted to make in the document, but the lead doctor said that if this wasn't included, t…

Is the issue that the doctor didn't make records of their patients? It sounds like they have data. Formal Peer review is good, but not necessary in science. Replication is necessary. And as a note, we can still have Authority based healthcare, but a science based healthcare system would be cheaper and more reliable.

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