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Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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You might be surprised at how human ingenuity sometimes finds a way to make expensive hardware using just as much exploitation…

Um, having trouble understanding what you mean...?

You're taking the low price as evidence that the device was manufactured by exploitative means. I was pointing out that at least the converse is not true: A high price is absolutely not evidence that something was NOT manufactured by exploitative means.

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Um, having trouble understanding what you mean...?

You're taking the low price as evidence that the device was manufactured by exploitative means. I was pointing out that at least the converse is not true: A high price is absolutely not evidence that something was NOT manufactured by exploitative means.

For sure, but you could reasonably claim that higher end manufacturers at least get slightly more attention from an oversight POV. Although not a direct correlation you could probably make some connection reasonably well between expense of gadget and extent of media / public interest in the manufacture / supply chain.

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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As if by buying the 1000+ USD Apple phone you are not supporting the same system. Newsflash, there is no ethical tech shopping, there will always be someone exploited along the line.

Reading this on a Fairphone. It's worth trying for something better, dude, even if you aren't ever likely to get to perfection.

So I've been looking through their supplier list:

https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/FP3_Lis...

In what way would you consider this superior to Apple's corresponding record?

https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_SR_2...

To my eyes, Apple actually has (or at least claims to have) better auditing of their supply chain. In particular, for Cobalt, one particularly concerning conflict mineral, Apple has over the last couple of years established complete auditing, while Fairphone is not even reporting numbers for that mineral yet.

To be sure, they did not do that out of the kindness of their hearts (particularly not in the Steve Jobs era). Pressure from NGOs and maybe also competitors like Fairphone helped.

[Disclaimer: I work for Apple, but don't speak for them, nor do I have firsthand knowledge of their supply chain]

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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I had a Pebble Time Steel. Loved the thing to death. The battery was a bit degraded and I got tired of not being able to acknowledge Pagerduty notifications (even though I could receive them), as well as not having any fitness features whatsoever (other than the steps counter). So I bit the bullet and bough an Apple watch. Within two days, I stop using the Pebble. Yes it's nice, but against what's essentially a super…

Just as a counter, I'm a (current) Pebble user, and I bought an Apple Watch and returned it. I don't need fitness tracking, the Apple Watch's screen was a little too hard to see outside, and the UI was too cluttered for the type of super-quick tasks I want to do on a watch. (I also really really disliked the lack of an always-on screen, which didn't exist until a few months later.) I like my Pebble because it's a wat…

I bought the Amazfit Bip because the format came close to what Pebble was, but I still miss third-party apps and the timeline UI, which made so much sense on a device that focus mainly on telling the time and upcoming events.

Hopefully the folks working on Rebble will make a nice open-source OS that can be ported to other watches out there.

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Look for devices supported by the gadgetbridge 3rd party app (found in android's f-droid store). I have an Amazfit Bip S lite. 45days battery, always on lcd. Custom notification filters by gadgetbridge. Great https://codeberg.org/Freeyourgadget/Gadgetbridge

I assure you, I have evaluated everything on the market. Amazfit devices are >1cm thick (even the ones that claim 9.2mm, it's a lie). They are also larger diameter than the Pebble Time Round, so overall more than twice as big and much less comfortable. The phone software is nowhere near as good, the watch UI is poorly designed, and the watch face/app selection is poor in comparison to Pebble. I haven't tried gadgetbr…

In case it helps with the token

https://codeberg.org/vanous/huafetcher

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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No, i excluded the sensor bump deliberately. Its area is too small to have a notable effect - the 8.5x9.2x1mm sensor bump sinks into the wrists skin and raises the watch by a lot less than the nominal 1mm. It probably is measurable, maybe calculate the space of the bump (~80mm³) and virtually redistribute the displacement across the whole 42x35 base plate and assume a calculated effective thickness of less than a ten…

> Its area is too small to have a notable effect We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Bumps protruding into my skin definitely reduce my comfort wearing a watch all day. Your measurement still doesn't match the official specs and even assuming it's correct and they're all that thin it's still not close to the Pebble Time Round. 30% thicker and 60% more volume.

The measured data is for my Bip S lite (which is a bit smaller than the Bip S). A bump of 1mm high with an area of less than 1 square centimeter is not noticable imho. My other watches also have bumps (nato strap seams, the gshock's rear plate is uneven by 1mm easy, and seiko's glass rear window...)

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Reading this on a Fairphone. It's worth trying for something better, dude, even if you aren't ever likely to get to perfection.

So I've been looking through their supplier list: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/FP3_Lis... In what way would you consider this superior to Apple's corresponding record? https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_SR_2... To my eyes, Apple actually has (or at least claims to have) better auditing of their supply chain. In particular, for Cobalt, one particularly concerning conflict m…

Sure, and interestingly you've made my point in one way as I was arguing it elsewhere in this thread, namely that more expensive products from companies like Apple are likely to come under more scrutiny from an ethical POV.

I do highly rate Apple for what they are doing - albeit under pressure from others. I chose FF more specifically because of the part maintainability / ability to replace as well as what seemed to me an ethical approach.

Back to the main point though: surely companies producing goods this cheap are going to de facto be cutting corners all the way up the chain, including ethical ones

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Mind if I ask what issue you have with their practices? I try to be a conscious consumer so I’m curious if anything you know would concern me as well.

Mainly that they sell health data (anonymized and aggregated, but still), to undisclosed third parties and they're not super upfront about it.

I can’t find this information and there are way too many policies to sift through. It doesn’t seem unlikely or abnormal, though. Do you think many wearable manufacturers aren’t sharing or selling data like this?

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Can anyone comment on the current state of the art for the sleep tracking feature of this or other smart watches? I have a Garmin Vivosmart HR that is close to end of life. I'm looking for something light with >7 day battery life, vibrating alarm clock, and decent sleep tracking.

Just curious, what do you actually do with your sleep data? After trying several trackers and building up a week or two of data I don’t really see a use for it. What’s the point of regularly monitoring it?

I don't believe in the accuracy of the data I currently have to make any judgements. For several months, I have been measuring my blood pressure and noted the effects of caffeine, alcohol, and exercise. I would like to gauge sleep length and quality to correlate with physical and mental well-being. Ideally, this would be passively measured and monitored, but I haven't gotten that far into it yet.

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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"Wyze Labs, Inc ... are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates." I would like to believe there is good in the world, but other than Linux nothing has held it up.

You've misread. > © 2020 Wyze Labs, Inc Amazon, Alexa, Echo Spot and all related logos are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. The page is copyright Wyze Labs. Separately, those other terms are trademarks of Amazon.

I blame their website for the mixup. they forgot a newline.
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