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Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Post by breck »

robocat wrote: post #125
breck wrote: post #111

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That's a good point. U.S. per capita healthcare spending is $11,172. If the U.S. gave everyone a $200 a year tax credit to spend on a smart health watch, we'd probably save $2,000 a year per capita and get a 10x ROI.

Most healthcare costs are at the end of our life, and we all die and often spend all we have, so the costs are fairly invariant i.e. you can never “save” $2k. The ROI for better health is very odd to measure. If you use dollars (for an economy) then the best ROI is to spend nothing once someone is of no economic benefit (i.e. the vast majority of healthcare spending is on the elderly and provides no dollar benefit to…

My ROI argument is approximately that allocating $200 for health watches for everyone AND cutting $2,000 across the board everywhere else in healthcare would lead to the same health outcomes.

It's a good point about how the cost of healthcare is unevenly distributed toward the end of life. I really like the newish term "Healthy Life Expectancy".

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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ghaff wrote: post #157
breck wrote: post #116

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> Certainly just wearing a FitBit has zero effect on health if you don't do anything based on the collected data. Surprisingly, even this I disagree with. Simply buying one nudges the healthcare world to a more data driven place, and simply wearing one provides data and feedback to the ecosystem that will have a positive value. That being said, yeah you should look at the data if you personally want to benefit.

Buying one also probably also pre-supposes that you care--at least in principle. I agree it can be a useful nudge. I have friends who totally swear by their FitBits. And that's great. Personally, I'm fairly active--at least at a walking level of activity day to day--and quantifying the number of steps I take or whatever just doesn't really do anything for me. But I'm a big believer in nudges generally and I expect th…

Yup, makes sense! And you may want to take a fresh look at them, because now it's a lot more than steps (rem measurements, heart rate, blood oxygen level, perspiration, temperature, etc).

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Post by breck »

abawany wrote: post #126
breck wrote: post #116

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> Certainly just wearing a FitBit has zero effect on health if you don't do anything based on the collected data. Surprisingly, even this I disagree with. Simply buying one nudges the healthcare world to a more data driven place, and simply wearing one provides data and feedback to the ecosystem that will have a positive value. That being said, yeah you should look at the data if you personally want to benefit.

I attribute my Garmin Vivoactive HR to pushing me from chronic sitting to being reasonably active and its heart-rate monitoring alerts for letting me know when something was off. I agree with you that spending money to get a good device is worth it, especially since my Garmin has lasted me 4 years without issues.

That's so awesome! Thanks for sharing!

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Post by outworlder »

bagacrap wrote: post #160
thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #149

personally, i find the 9 day battery life to be pretty darn impressive in this day and age. i also like the heart rate monitor, great for runners.

I've found wrist based hr to be extremely unreliable to the point of uselessness when exercising.

I could not find much of a difference between the heart rate monitor on my apple watch vs a blood pressure monitor.

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Post by bamboozled »

jerlam wrote: post #85

Smartwatches have fallen so far from their peak. In 2015, Pebble had a watch that had: - an app store, third party apps, third party watch faces, and a developer ecosystem - always on screen that didn't require a button press or specific arm gesture, and worked in bright, normally lit conditions - physical buttons instead of tiny buttons on a tiny screen barely larger than the finger pressing it - week long battery l…

I have a Garmin Forerunner, it’s basically the watch you’re describing from Pebble but better. Longer battery etc.

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Post by modeless »

ce4 wrote: post #140
modeless wrote: post #96

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I assure you, I have evaluated everything on the market. Amazfit devices are >1cm thick (even the ones that claim 9.2mm, it's a lie). They are also larger diameter than the Pebble Time Round, so overall more than twice as big and much less comfortable. The phone software is nowhere near as good, the watch UI is poorly designed, and the watch face/app selection is poor in comparison to Pebble. I haven't tried gadgetbr…

I just measured the Bip S lite: 9.7mm height x 34.8 x 41.6mm rectangle (without lugs + crown).

Did you include the sensor bump? The official specs claim 11.4 mm [1] so it would be strange if it was thinner. The Amazfit GTS 42mm is claimed to be 9.2 mm thick but actually measures >10 even without including the sensor bump. In any case, still much larger overall than the Pebble Time Round.

[1] https://www.amazfit.com/en/bips-lite.html

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Post by lovemenot »

colordrops wrote: post #102
jerlam wrote: post #85

Smartwatches have fallen so far from their peak. In 2015, Pebble had a watch that had: - an app store, third party apps, third party watch faces, and a developer ecosystem - always on screen that didn't require a button press or specific arm gesture, and worked in bright, normally lit conditions - physical buttons instead of tiny buttons on a tiny screen barely larger than the finger pressing it - week long battery l…

Google acquiring fitbit? Nooooo, I've been in the process of de-googlification and fitbit has massive amounts of my health data from the last half year. Need to figure out how to nuke all of that.

If your Fitbit data is linked to a residual Google account, you can use that account to delete it.

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/465

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Post by LolWolf »

MikeKusold wrote: post #156
jerlam wrote: post #85

Smartwatches have fallen so far from their peak. In 2015, Pebble had a watch that had: - an app store, third party apps, third party watch faces, and a developer ecosystem - always on screen that didn't require a button press or specific arm gesture, and worked in bright, normally lit conditions - physical buttons instead of tiny buttons on a tiny screen barely larger than the finger pressing it - week long battery l…

Garmin has been crushing it with their smartwatches. * App store with 3rd party apps and faces. * Always on screen * Physical buttons (Vivoactive is mostly touchscreen oriented, but all their "athlete" watches use buttons) * Week long battery life - Even running GPS tracking for 12 hours straight leaves enough battery for the next day. The biggest downside to the Garmin is trying to figure out which watch to buy. The…

My main problem with Garmin, and the one that gets me really hard when camping, is the fact that Connect requires internet in order to be able to see even basic statistics. I absolutely love my Garmin Vivomove Style, but because of the small screen I can't really see any activity other than very basic things, which requires that I fall back to my phone app... which doesn't work when camping or hiking because I don't have cellphone reception.

If they could fix this one problem, I'd buy more of their sports-oriented watches, but this is the one thing that I find really hard to deal with.

Otoh, the watch is phenomenal and beautiful, and I love having a watch that lasts 5+ days on a single charge and looks like a normal watch, but tells me my calendar and such, and can be used to track running and hiking.

Re: Wyze $20 Smart Watch

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Post by outworlder »

jerlam wrote: post #85

Smartwatches have fallen so far from their peak. In 2015, Pebble had a watch that had: - an app store, third party apps, third party watch faces, and a developer ecosystem - always on screen that didn't require a button press or specific arm gesture, and worked in bright, normally lit conditions - physical buttons instead of tiny buttons on a tiny screen barely larger than the finger pressing it - week long battery l…

I had a Pebble Time Steel. Loved the thing to death.

The battery was a bit degraded and I got tired of not being able to acknowledge Pagerduty notifications (even though I could receive them), as well as not having any fitness features whatsoever (other than the steps counter). So I bit the bullet and bough an Apple watch.

Within two days, I stop using the Pebble. Yes it's nice, but against what's essentially a supercomputer in my wrist, with a bunch of useful apps... I switched. Sure, having to charge daily is not _ideal_, but I can put it to charge while I'm having dinner or in the shower, and it will be full pretty quickly - specially if you are just topping off daily. It is not as convenient, but I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would.

The screen is always on too. I disabled the feature, didn't see much of a difference.

Just this weekend, I had a pretty spectacular fall from my bike. Fall detection kicked in - I did not need emergency services, but it was a reminder that some features can be life-saving.

My company's SSO supports IOS, which means it is now integrated with my watch. Pretty secure too, the watch will lock if it is removed from my wrist. It can unlock my machine (and my car). I can control other devices. I can take just the watch outside and still receive phone calls, or buy groceries. Many of those things, I couldn't do with the Pebble, or they would be more cumbersome. Yes, physical buttons are nice, but also limiting.

Pebble had the right idea. But they executed too slowly and too late. The fitness focus was missed by them for quite a while, I bet that they could have stayed relevant if they had implemented features like heart rate monitoring.

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