Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack • Hacker News Board

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by nkerkin » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:05 AM UTC

mrgordon wrote: post #395

CharlesW wrote: post #186

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Unpopular HN opinion: Teams doesn't suck. It's not as pretty/lovable as Slack, but it has an additional level of organization (each team gets their own set of channels), you can add tabs of related apps/sites to each channel, etc. As far as I could tell having used both simultaneously for a few years, Teams is a complete superset of Slack.

I definitely prefer Slack. Here are a few reasons off the top of my head. 1. Many users have issues where the unmute button is unresponsive. Typically the workaround is to turn off incoming video feeds which isn't exactly ideal. This is a major turnoff. 2. Difficult to stay involved in multiple channels as described by another comment. I find it tedious to find what's happened if I've been away for a while. 3. Slack…

> 7. Ability to run a small chatroom for free which AFAIK Microsoft doesn't offer (its included with other Microsoft products that were paid for usually)

Looks like there's a free [0] version of teams that supports unlimited search, unlimited app integrations and meetings of up to 100 attendees. Compare to free [1] slack that has limitations of 10k searchable messages, 10 app integrations and only 1-1 meetings

[0]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/microsoft-365/microsoft-team... [1]: https://slack.com/intl/en-au/pricing

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by slenk » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:09 AM UTC

xapata wrote: post #330

chippiewill wrote: post #180

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What Google heard is: buy discord, glue it into everything and then shut it all down after 2 years.

I'm imagining a meeting a few years back, at Google: "Ok, you know our motto, 'Don't be Evil.'?" Heads nod. "What if ... what if ... what if we simplify that?" "How so?" "Just cut off the first word, 'Be Evil.' Simple, elegant." "I like it!" ---- Jokes aside, I think Google does a pretty good job of keeping the major products steady. Our little cohort on HN isn't a great sample for determining what "major" is.

Google Play Music, Hangouts, AngularJS, Works with Nest API....

They've killed off a lot of buds, but they've also killed some great products.

https://killedbygoogle.com/

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by noelsusman » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:13 AM UTC

hacker_newz wrote: post #283

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I don't understand. What argument are you tired of hearing? Teams has more users than Slack. Doesn't matter how/why they got them.

Captive users don't really count.

Why not?

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by ZephyrBlu » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:14 AM UTC

paulryanrogers wrote: post #412

ryanSrich wrote: post #353

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Aside from it being absurdly expensive and understaffed for support and CS. I mostly agree.

Client services?

Customer Support.

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by netsec_burn » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:14 AM UTC

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #118

colinmhayes wrote: post #68

I can't possibly see this going well for salesforce. Buying slack for 70x revenue is insane. Their entire market is going to be eaten by teams and google chat, if it hasn't already. Microsoft has such a gigantic advantage when it comes to enterprise productivity software because everyone is already using office. And those that aren't are on g-suite. Slack's recent guidance was horrible too.

Google chat, lol. Which one? Google Wave? Google Buzz? Google Talk? Google Hangouts? Google Allo? Google Duo? Google Meet? Google chat that came with Google Apps? Or G Suite? Or Google Workspace?

I think they meant Google Messages.

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Post by sidpatil » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:14 AM UTC

mey wrote: post #440

idlewords wrote: post #403

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Or try designing a really great office collaboration suite and end up accidentally making a killer game.

Do games created in excel count? https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/04/how-an-accountant-cre...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb9AXBowb0E

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by keyle » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

remexre wrote: post #256

keyle wrote: post #170

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I agree. We should evolve the IRC spec to support the modern requirements of common users. Then web clients are just an addition. Call it IRC2 or anything if it offends the original IRC nerds (which I'm part of)

Well, there's IRCv3... Problem with multi-device is you need some way of authenticating multiple TCP connections as the same logical user, at which point a lot of IRC's simplicity of implementation has been lost. Whether that's a worthwhile sacrifice is a different question though; I think it might be (as a young IRC nerd).

Yes, I had keys in mind. Some work definitely for UX improvements there, onboarding users.

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by gertlex » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:22 AM UTC

xapata wrote: post #330

chippiewill wrote: post #180

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What Google heard is: buy discord, glue it into everything and then shut it all down after 2 years.

I'm imagining a meeting a few years back, at Google: "Ok, you know our motto, 'Don't be Evil.'?" Heads nod. "What if ... what if ... what if we simplify that?" "How so?" "Just cut off the first word, 'Be Evil.' Simple, elegant." "I like it!" ---- Jokes aside, I think Google does a pretty good job of keeping the major products steady. Our little cohort on HN isn't a great sample for determining what "major" is.

Seems to me that either "Hangouts" (or whatever it's been most recently renamed to) is "major," and so many might argue it proves you false regarding "steady," OR it's not major, and discord would thus not be major and likewise not be kept "steady".

Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:26 AM UTC

Androider wrote: post #377

somethingwitty1 wrote: post #370

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Slack uses Chime under-the-hood for meetings. So, people are still using Chime. This was announced at re:invent today.

The video meetings are easily the worst part of Slack. Even though Slack meetings are free and integrated, everyone at my org still uses Zoom with Slack instead.

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Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack

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Post by prepend » Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 2:34 AM UTC

easton wrote: post #14

I'm somewhat surprised that Amazon didn't end up acquiring Slack, considering that the major thing they are missing compared to Microsoft is productivity tools. If they had purchased Dropbox and Slack they could've gotten a foothold rather quickly and slowed down one of Microsoft's major selling points (you already use Office, why not Azure?). Discord could be another interesting company in the chat space, as I'm sur…

I don’t think Amazon wants this. It seems like they are trying to have more completely automated, higher scalable services for companies to build stuff on top of.

While slack and Dropbox are customer facing and build on top of Amazon.

Theoretically that stuff is more value added, but I think their markets are smaller compared to what Amazon is going for.

If the goal is to be the buggy whip maker for the universe there’s a lot more there until they need to start vertically integrating and buying stuff that uses the buggy whips.