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Eth2 dev here, maintainer of https://github.com/prysmaticlabs/prysm , one of the implementations currently running the blockchain written in Go. This has been a monumental effort. There are 3 other implementations in mainnet, and consensus is running perfectly. Few other protocols in blockchain have more than one dominant implementation. The beauty of eth2 comes from its efficiency in signature aggregation: https://t…

I remember Satoshi's old posts where he claimed that Bitcoin Core was the only viable full implementation of the Bitcoin protocol since it had too many quirks to be efficiently standardized and reimplemented. I wonder if that's still true.

also: https://bcoin.io/

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I am incredibly happy about this. It's the first step for a major cryptocurrency towards ledger security that does not damage the environment via mining. I always hated how wasteful and energy-inefficient mining is. Staking reduces energy costs by many, many orders of magnitude. With lightweight clients in development, it is possible to validate chain using Raspberry Pi. I hope (but don't expect) that some time in th…

There is no way Bitcoin will switch to PoS. The very core of Bitcoin is PoW.

Not true, many think PoS is coming to BTC in the future, or at least a hybrid. (Note: not the near future)

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Interesting! How are they wrapped? Do ppl trade bitcoin on ethereum without actually using the bitcoin blockchain?

They trade a token, sometimes called a stablecoin, that represent BTC as its underlying value. Primarily two extremes for how this is done: Centralized, like WBTC ( https://coinlist.co/help/what-is-wrapped-bitcoin-wbtc ), and decentralized, like tBTC ( https://defirate.com/tbtc/ )

Besides the extremes, there's the pragmatic in the middle - interoperability in general. RenVM supports Bitcoin and many other coins on multiple hosts, not just Ethereum (eg. Polkadot):

https://renproject.io

https://mainnet.renproject.io

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One question - why didn't Bitcoin drop to zero? I know, VHS survive and Betamax didn't, but unlike Betamax, Ethereum is pretty popular for everything, not just for low-class commodity speculation.

Bitcoin is the gateway into crypto. Check the marketcap, and all the pairs are tied to BTC on most major exchanges. It's also the most secure and has the largest community. It's use case is different than Ethereum's.

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I don't understand this. I don't understand any of it. I don't understand cryptocurrencies. I don't understand what problems they really solve. > "Ethereum is open access to digital money and data-friendly services for everyone – no matter your background or location. It's a community-built technology behind the cryptocurrency ether (ETH) and thousands of applications you can use today." I can do all these things alr…

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Can anyone give a TLDR of what is significant about Ethereum 2.0 for those of us who don't follow this stuff much? As blockchain tech goes, Ethereum always seemed the most interesting.

Multiple aspects. PoS offers much, much stronger security than PoW while being about 4000x cheaper to run and sustainably decentralized. Sharding (along with rollups) allows for a truly global scale platform - over 100k TPS, potentially 1M, while still running on normal computers in people's homes. PoS is a requirement for sharding, as dividing security under PoW would make each shard too easy to attack. Last but not…

Exactly. As they say, first step is always the hardest. The switch from PoW to PoS was monumental and I'm glad they took the time to execute so well. This is a great step forward for Ethereum

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> PoS offers much, much stronger security than PoW Uh, why do you say that? The security of PoS in fact ought to be much LOWER than the security of PoW: The goal of requiring proof of work is that you cannot just send multiple versions of the same transaction into different areas of the network to double-spend your money - because you need to commit work for producing a block, and due to consuming energy you can't fa…

Security deposits of attackers in ethereum are slashed, up to 100%, in case of an attack. The value at stake can potentially grow into hundreds of billions, much more than any PoW chain can hope to accumulate in mining revenues in its entire existence. Last but not least, there's no way to delete PoW attacker's gpus, but hostile stake is always going to be slashed. Asic pow chain can be forked - once - to a gpu pow,…

> Security deposits of attackers in ethereum are slashed, up to 100%, in case of an attack.

What defends against the attacker configuring his nodes to just not relay the blocks which slash his deposits, by having a majority in the network connectivity, and thereby convincing victim nodes that he in fact is the victim of false slashing because the victims will only discover the slash-claims much after the attackers "valid" blocks?

Or in other words:

Isn't the slashing mechanism also reliant upon mere hope that the network topology randomly happens to be in favor of non-malicious peers?

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> PoS offers much, much stronger security than PoW Uh, why do you say that? The security of PoS in fact ought to be much LOWER than the security of PoW: The goal of requiring proof of work is that you cannot just send multiple versions of the same transaction into different areas of the network to double-spend your money - because you need to commit work for producing a block, and due to consuming energy you can't fa…

Thanks for answering questions I’ve had for a long time about POS. Do you have any links to share on the subject?

Google "nothing at stake problem".

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It makes me sad, because I expected a comment like this to be the highest on HN. In the case of Ethereum, digital scarcity secured by a blockchain enables a turing complete state machine that the world can use. In the most basic terms, this will remove clearing houses for transactions of assets. In the long term this will lead to novel types of assets, and make ownership extremely liquid. Imagine using your phone to…

For me at least, "Imagine the possibilities!" is not an answer to the question, "What's it good for?" Indeed, my experience is that it's almost an anti-answer. For example, in the mid-aughts I was talking with the CEO of a well-funded "semantic web" company about joining. I liked the people and the tech was cool, but I just couldn't figure out how it would turn a profit. His answer was similar to yours, a "what could…

I would also like to address the 'scarcity' claim - when cryptos are being churned out like in the last few years they're hardly scarce anymore ...

Re: Ethereum 2.0 launches

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It's not the first proof of stake blockchain, but it's the first that allows hundreds of thousands of nodes to fully participate, while also having high security and rapid finality. This is only possible because of math that was developed three years ago. https://twitter.com/technocrypto/status/1330150362427387910 In proof of stake, mining equipment and electricity consumption is replaced by the cryptocurrency itself…

So will this be a new currency or will existing ETH switch to it?

Existing ETH will switch to it.
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