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Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

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Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

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post #21

"If you're the smartest person in the room, you're probably in the wrong room". Science journalism has its place, but it can simplify things beyond the point of being educational. If you don't mind feeling a little dumb you can get the information straight from the source: https://yufeizhao.com/blog/ https://arxiv.org/search/math?searchtype=author&query=Sah%2C...

For the Ramsay paper in particular (with a short easy to read introduction): https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.09251.pdf

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#52
post #10

Even though this is in Quanta this is really cool!

Even though? Is there a problem with Quanta that I am not aware of? I find it a nice magazine to read about various math-y subjects and researchers despite the editorial click-bait-ish style sometimes. It is a nice starting point to discover new stuffs.

I find their writing overdramatic and often missing the central point.

For an example recently discussed on HN: "Computer Scientists Achieve ‘Crown Jewel’ of Cryptography" -- misunderstanding the science, not investigating the larger context (in which it's just a form of FHE), pulling out the (overwrought) term of one person, to call it the "crown jewel", describing other work as "dazzling newcomers" and, of course, forgetting to investigate the practical constraints. These are errors in the basic craft of journalism.

I see the same problems in other articles in areas I have worked in which leads me to doubt the whole enterprise. It also likes "profile of a researcher" articles, which are typical talismanic pieces for the popular press void of any actual science.

It's probably fine to surface interesting topics, though there are other sources appear to use writers who are actual scientists, or who at least have scientific training.

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#53

I was having a discussion recently in another forum where I argued that success at a Math Olympiad is a good indicator of future success. I'm not surprised to see in the slightest he won a gold medal at 16.

The math olympiad success underestimates him. I would say that in terms of mathematical abilities, Gold on the IMO tenure at a top-100 university. Aswhin will maybe be a Fields medal candidate.

Hopefully he doesn't read this and develop a complex :)

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a "hot take"? I agree with the answer above. You need to pour a fair bit of effort into getting on an Olympiad team. Whether you get a PhD is more a question of economics, IMO. If you're showing that much promise there will be many other temptations, and bear in mind it's not just rich countries that have math kids, there's plenty of olympiad kids who need to get out and make money when they've done their degr…

> What's a "hot take"? It's slang for "unsubstantiated opinion likely to incite controversy". Weird how this word started appearing everywhere suddenly in the last few months.

It's an easy form of self-effacement. If I state my opinion and someone proves me wrong, I'd look silly at best, or risk cancellation at worst. If I preface by saying it's a hot take, I can easily distance myself from what I said if it's received badly.

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#55

Are there any use case of this discover beyond iet being impressive?

Graph Theory in General is extremly useful for all sorts of algorithms [1]. What the application for this particular discovery might be is also unknown to me.

[1]https://mypages.valdosta.edu/dgibson/sjs.pdf

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#56

Some times I feel inferior while reading such stories, they are of almost the same age as me. Even though I am very well placed in my career sometimes it just stings :(

Be the best person you can be while also being gentle and loving to yourself.

There will always be someone better than you at everything you can think of. Running, mathematics, chess, programming, kite flying, writing whimsical poems, whatever

There are also people who are not good at those things who nevertheless gain tremendous satisfaction from doing them and getting better at them.

Are you on the side of good? That's all that matters, really

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is perhaps one of my biggest downside surprises about university. Although there were plenty of fun people to hang out with, there were very few people who had a seriousness about getting work done, along with a collaborative instinct. Maybe I was unlucky, but I'd thought that an Oxbridge college would yield a few people who could keep me focussed on the academics. And yes, in another world I would have brought…

Intellectualism hasn’t matured as Barbarism has (still going through refinement). Your gym partner is never going to even attempt to prove to you they are stronger, and you yourself won’t even care if they are (or vice versa). There’s a natural understanding of the physical, and mostly we as a society realize how futile it is to exert physical dominance on one another. So you are stronger, what are you going to do, b…

Write a blog post about this. It would be a good read.

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#58

Are there any use case of this discover beyond iet being impressive?

I think the initial work is impressive partly because of how broad the range of topics the partnership has tackled AND how young they are. They are barely into their post-doc studies and are already making progress on challenging problems in the graph theory and combi space.

Basically, its impressive to make this level of contribution as an undergraduate team AND if they keep up this level of productivity the "big" discoveries will come in the coming years.

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#59

I was having a discussion recently in another forum where I argued that success at a Math Olympiad is a good indicator of future success. I'm not surprised to see in the slightest he won a gold medal at 16.

The math olympiad success underestimates him. I would say that in terms of mathematical abilities, Gold on the IMO tenure at a top-100 university. Aswhin will maybe be a Fields medal candidate.

He may be working in the wrong subfield of math to win a Fields medal.

Re: Undergraduate Math Student Pushes Frontier of Graph Theory

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is perhaps one of my biggest downside surprises about university. Although there were plenty of fun people to hang out with, there were very few people who had a seriousness about getting work done, along with a collaborative instinct. Maybe I was unlucky, but I'd thought that an Oxbridge college would yield a few people who could keep me focussed on the academics. And yes, in another world I would have brought…

Intellectualism hasn’t matured as Barbarism has (still going through refinement). Your gym partner is never going to even attempt to prove to you they are stronger, and you yourself won’t even care if they are (or vice versa). There’s a natural understanding of the physical, and mostly we as a society realize how futile it is to exert physical dominance on one another. So you are stronger, what are you going to do, b…

Very well written. I always preferred mathematics to chess, because the competitive aspect of chess always seemed to hinder collaboration.

Seeing the same lack of collaboration in university was really disappointing. Friendly people listened passively, less friendly people liked to listen and contradict. The willingness to actually share knowledge seemed to be almost non-existent.

I haven't solved the puzzle yet why sharing knowledge is so hard. Some people don't have knowledge to share, some want to keep an advantage, and the barbaric instincts to reject unfamiliar ideas tramples the remaining few sparks.

Noticing my own barbaric instincts in action was enlightening.

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