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Bitcoin Price Hits All-Time High of $19,786, Topping 2017 Record

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Bitcoin costs about 6$ per transaction (based on block reward). That is more than many transactions I make. Also, if you are using electricity to heat a house, heat pumps are about 4x more effective than bitcoin mining. This "mine for heat" meme has no real basis in fact.

I admit $6 is very expensive when compared to credit card fees, but Bitcoin is the only way I know of sending someone in a different country $10k for just a $6 fee. It would still be $6 if you sent $1M.

Its free in Europe between the countries, might be expensive in America where you tend to use credit cards to send money.

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Run for office? I prefer the trim tab approach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_tab#Trim_tab_as_a_metapho... If Bitcoiners are right, Satoshi has been the trim tab of the century thus far. Time will tell :)

Satoshi is likely Paul Le Roux. Let’s hope not. He’s managed to waste more of our time, money and brainpower than anyone in recent memory. Either way my point remains that Bitcoin solves nothing other than making criminals wealthy. Time will tell.

You have been grinding this axe so hard it's almost gone at this point. When BTC is 30k, 50k, 100k you will still be tilting at windmills, and no one will care. You are so wrong and incorrect on nearly everything you type, you must be an absolutely insufferable person to deal with.

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The GP seems to be implying that using bitcoin is risky, which is true, but as evidence cites someone who lost money while not holding bitcoin. I'm sure people also lost CAD they had been storing in Quadriga; when you put money into an uninsured bank/exchange you might lose it, losing it is not evidence that bitcoin itself is risky.

With bitcoin the choices seems equivalent to unsecured banks (trust someone else), or gold bars under the mattress (hope they don't get stolen, you don't get incapacitated and they get forgotten about, etc). I wouldn't want to store a significant chunk of my savings in either of those situations.

current state of the art is not very good, storing large amounts of cryptocurrencies is not as convenient as large amounts of fiat and it may never be as convenient, but usability is slowly improving.

Hardware wallets and safe deposit boxes and multisig let you build a system which is far better than storing your money in an unsecured bank and far less vulnerable to theft/loss than the mattress strategy.

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Nobody can quite figure out what it is for except speculation and crime. Bitcoin is a non-sovereign, hard-capped supply, global, immutable, decentralized digital store of value. It’s an insurance policy against monetary and fiscal policy irresponsibility from central banks and governments globally.

I agree with part (1) but there's no reason (1) implies (2). After all, Chuck-E-Cheese tokens fit a large part of the definition in part (1). After all they're non-sovereign, limited issuance, global, immutable and decentralized. But you'd be hard pressed to find someone who believes that implies Chuck-E-Cheese tokens are an insurance policy against monetary and fiscal policy irresponsibility from central banks and g…

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Satoshi is likely Paul Le Roux. Let’s hope not. He’s managed to waste more of our time, money and brainpower than anyone in recent memory. Either way my point remains that Bitcoin solves nothing other than making criminals wealthy. Time will tell.

You have been grinding this axe so hard it's almost gone at this point. When BTC is 30k, 50k, 100k you will still be tilting at windmills, and no one will care. You are so wrong and incorrect on nearly everything you type, you must be an absolutely insufferable person to deal with.

I could not care less what price Bitcoin ends up at, it will not change the garbage fundamentals, or my opinion of it, nor should it change yours. There's tons of different ways to make money investing, and I stick to traditional markets. Tesla has seen a 15X increase in value over the last year, Square 20X since 2016.

I suspect I may be insufferable when I see something that's just a giant waste of time, power, energy, effort and brain power, and I'm not mad about that.

I do wish you the best of luck making money, however you choose to do so!

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Bitcoin can change depending on the need of the users, assuming it's something accepted by them, which sounds fair to me. As for the inflation/fiat it just seems to me that you keep ignoring the possibility of a failure of such system. A failure of such system would for sure have terrible consequences and the poor unlike the wealthier will have harder times. Investing the fiat is a good idea, not something remotely p…

> Bitcoin can change depending on the need of the users, assuming it's something accepted by them, which sounds fair to me. No? In what way. > As for the inflation/fiat it just seems to me that you keep ignoring the possibility of a failure of such system. A failure of such system would for sure have terrible consequences and the poor unlike the wealthier will have harder times. A collapse in finance would affect the…

The wealthier might lose more wealth overall (if we exclude the options they have to diversify and protect) but that doesn't mean it won't be harder for the poor. A poor by definition doesn't own much. They probably have no house, no easy way to eat, no way to transport if the system collapse and the merchants aren't interested in the little fiat they have. All in all I'm having a hard time to defend the idea that it would be harder for the wealthier to go through a collapse of the currency.

As for bitcoin, well, you can audit the commits on github if you want. There's plenty of things added lately. Miners or other entities like nodes can decide to fork the protocol into another chain (already happened, the protocol is then developed differently in those chains). Rules are subject to a consensus. Also if a user is not happy with a change, he's free to stop using it or to exchange his bitcoins for something else. All in all there's no reasons for participants to refuse modifying and improving the protocol over time.

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Nobody can quite figure out what it is for except speculation and crime. Bitcoin is a non-sovereign, hard-capped supply, global, immutable, decentralized digital store of value. It’s an insurance policy against monetary and fiscal policy irresponsibility from central banks and governments globally.

I agree with part (1) but there's no reason (1) implies (2). After all, Chuck-E-Cheese tokens fit a large part of the definition in part (1). After all they're non-sovereign, limited issuance, global, immutable and decentralized. But you'd be hard pressed to find someone who believes that implies Chuck-E-Cheese tokens are an insurance policy against monetary and fiscal policy irresponsibility from central banks and g…

The phrase "limited issuance" applies to bitcoin far more than it applies to chuck-e-cheese and given the rest of your comments it's clear you already know this. It seems you've decided you hate bitcoin and you're happy to use whatever argument justifies that opinion no matter how flimsy.

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>it's not going to show up as "1 BTC" on the checkout.. it will probably be like 1.05 BTC. In my experience the spread is usually under 1% of the 24 avg. >[...] and don't have to worry about fraudulent cash/checks etc. Yeah sellers overall take a bit of a hit, but the argument can be made the couple percent is worth it to never have to worry about getting scammed by a buyer. But how are you going to get scammed accep…

>In my experience the spread is usually under 1% of the 24 avg. And how does that work? For example, the last 24hr bitcoin is up like 10%.. Let's call 5% below the current price the 24hr average.. are you suggesting that the exchange rate is 1% above the 24avg, or 4% below the current price, meaning the seller is eating 4% of the current price? That certainly does not make any sense. >But how are you going to get sca…

>And how does that work? For example, the last 24hr bitcoin is up like 10%.. Let's call 5% below the current price the 24hr average.. are you suggesting that the exchange rate is 1% above the 24avg, or 4% below the current price, meaning the seller is eating 4% of the current price? That certainly does not make any sense.

That was based on how I remembered some merchants handled conversion a few years ago. I just did a test with coingate and the spread between their rate and the market rate is under 0.05% (yes that's a fraction of a percent, not 5%).

>I agree the seller can't really get scammed, but the buyer has --zero-- recourse

I don't disagree that credit card protections are good for the consumer. The problem is that there's no opt out (eg. horror stories about people's paypal accounts being frozen because of a surge in donations), and you're forced to use the bank (or credit card company) as the escrow.

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> If economic growth outpaces debt growth then it does not ever have to be paid back. Bernie Maddoff said the same thing. He also tried to create a perpetual motion machine. > Canada has been paying everyone $2000/month this whole time) Canada has been lending everyone $2000/month this whole time. > Bitcoin cannot and will not change the wealth gap when it’s overwhelmingly spoken for already. Again, you don't underst…

> Bernie Maddoff said the same thing. He also tried to create a perpetual motion machine. Bernie Madoff doesn't get to print his own currency, you see why that's different right? You know who does though? Tether. > Canada has been lending everyone $2000/month this whole time. Paying. Lending implies that it has to be returned, it does not. > Again, you don't understand what bitcoin is, nor money apparently. Incorrect…

> Bernie Madoff doesn't get to print his own currency, you see why that's different right? You know who does though? Tether.

As I said, you don’t understand money. Currency is not wealth. Purchasing power cannot be printed, despite what MMT claims real wealth has to be produced using real resources. You can print all the dollars you want, in fact, that is exactly what the monopoly board game creators do.

> Paying. Lending implies that it has to be returned, it does not.

As I said, again, you don’t understand what money is. Under the current system all money is debt. And governments have no purchasing power to give but what they confiscate from citizens via taxes in the present, or take via inflation from the future. Either way, canadians are paying those $2000 back.

> Inflation has been in a tightly controlled 1-2% range in the US since the 1970s. They are. So forgive me for not giving a bunch of un-elected, un-accountable randos with commit privileges and a narcotics trafficker the steering wheel lol.

Which is why the FED came out saying they are gonna increase the rate of inflation that has actually been lower than reported all these past years right? The inflation metrics do not represent real inflation and even the FED admitted it, nor do they capture the wealth inequality even if they did. The riots on the streets, the uncertainty, most americans living paycheck to paycheck, miles of lines at food banks, most americans not having even $400 in savings, all signs of how the experts are such experts at managing the economy right? Not even 1 week of trouble could handle this wonderful economy when covid started they had to print trillions to bail out mega corporations. Such a well managed economy right?

> Who is "our" and why does one have anything to do with the other?

You, the one that claims having a printing press and growing gdp faster than inflation means governments will outrun debts. Don’t shill magic beans.

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> Bernie Maddoff said the same thing. He also tried to create a perpetual motion machine. Bernie Madoff doesn't get to print his own currency, you see why that's different right? You know who does though? Tether. > Canada has been lending everyone $2000/month this whole time. Paying. Lending implies that it has to be returned, it does not. > Again, you don't understand what bitcoin is, nor money apparently. Incorrect…

> Bernie Madoff doesn't get to print his own currency, you see why that's different right? You know who does though? Tether. As I said, you don’t understand money. Currency is not wealth. Purchasing power cannot be printed, despite what MMT claims real wealth has to be produced using real resources. You can print all the dollars you want, in fact, that is exactly what the monopoly board game creators do. > Paying. Le…

There is no getting around the fact Bitcoin is distributed in a fabulously unequal manner.

The rest of the world is going mint a set of new global elite because they mined a stack a coins when the computational cost was tiny? If crypto dream of having Bitcoin as some global reserve currency is achieved that is what will happen.

To be honest that situation is not far off the inherited wealth of a lot of the super rich families that exist now. But at least you know somewhere along the family tree something worthwhile was achieved. Their claim to wealth is not simply being on the right internet forum in 2010.

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