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Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by nobody666 »

Duval will cash in on this using every trick and loophole he can. The "3rd party" app store is shady as h/e/ll, and they know no limits to deceit. If you trust th/e/m, you probably trust Wikipedia too, which is just one place they tried and failed to take advantage by breaking rules and using sock puppets.

If you don't have a 'droid device supported by GrapheneOS or CalyxOS, have a look at DivestOS for something more original, and privacy and security focused, without cloud "services."

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by ev1 »

nuand999 wrote: post #76
Qwertious wrote: post #60

/e/ is mud among the LineageOS community (which is upstream of it), due to several reasons. Sadly I can't find the relevant /r/lineageOS posts . Here's some reading that covers the basic points though: https://intangiblesheep.neocities.org/rants/eelo.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191224031946/https://ewwlo.xyz...

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You exclusively post e-foundation related articles, don't disclose any affiliation with them, and call them "haters".

Questionable.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by Throwaway1771 »

rst wrote: post #35
phh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the graveyard of Android privacy forks is that big? All I can think of is CopperheadOS which died because it was company-backed. You could argue CyanogenMod died, though really it's still well alive in LineageOS. (and CyanogenMod wasn't really privacy-focused) I have a very high respect for all the work that's been done on the various GNU/Linux mobile distributions, but it's still so far away from Andro…

The original developer of CopperheadOS is continuing the work as GrapheneOS, after a split with his former business partner, over dilutions of the privacy guarantees, among other things. https://grapheneos.org/

Highly recommend this solution.

This is where I ended up after countless hours of research looking for security/privacy.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by Throwaway1771 »

jmnicolas wrote: post #49
ThenAsNow wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for posting this. I spent some time looking at how "de-Googled" GrapheneOS is. If you define "de-Googled" as meaning the phone makes no connections to Google servers that you do not explicitly acknowledge/permit, then GrapheneOS is still far from "de-Googled". Just to give one example, SUPL. There are also plenty of unGoogled-Chromium patches GrapheneOS doesn't apply. I'm not saying GrapheneOS isn't way better…

You don't have to use Vanadium on GrapheneOS, I use Bromite (mostly for the ad blocking) and there's also an ungoogled chromium available in FDroid.

And normal Chromium, which gets faster patches, and can be configured not to send telemetry etc.

Do it carefully, though.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by nextos »

phh wrote: post #25
swiley wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was the conclusion I came to after using android 4-5 for a while. Android is not designed for the community to be hacking on it. While these projects occasionally appear they don't last because of the incredible amount of work required to maintain them. You're much better off finding a normal Linux distro/phone pair that can make phone calls etc.

Nowadays I single-handledly (well almost, I do have some contributors, thanks to them) maintain a pure unmodified Android that works on hundreds (probably thousands) of different devices. It has become a lot easier thanks to Project Treble.

Thanks for the ROMs you produce. Do you recommend any particular devices (phones and tablets) to use a device-independent ROM?

As far as I could see in your GitHub project wiki, most devices tend to have a few glitches (probably due to issues in the hardware abstraction layer from the manufacturers side?): https://github.com/phhusson/treble_experimentations/wiki

I could see some that look mostly flawless, like Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.0 2019. It'd be good to have a curated list of preferred devices. Buying Android devices with ROMs in mind is quite frequent, and your generic ROMs are a huge leap ahead!

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by cordite »

I got the Silent Circle Blackphone [1] (or silent phone) back in 2016.

My experience was terrible battery life, slow to update operating system, overall lack of attention.

E Foundation strikes me as quite similar, I have high hopes for privacy in the mobile space but unless someone really can fund that indefinitely, I don't see updates going out for a $600 smart phone (499 euros) for the lifetime a phone should have.

[1]: https://www.silentcircle.com/products-and-solutions/silent-p...

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by bigbubba »

nuand999 wrote: post #76
Qwertious wrote: post #60

/e/ is mud among the LineageOS community (which is upstream of it), due to several reasons. Sadly I can't find the relevant /r/lineageOS posts . Here's some reading that covers the basic points though: https://intangiblesheep.neocities.org/rants/eelo.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191224031946/https://ewwlo.xyz...

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Having now read both, your link does not seem to address any of the claims in the GP's links.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by greenshackle2 »

ev1 wrote: post #82
nuand999 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You exclusively post e-foundation related articles, don't disclose any affiliation with them, and call them "haters". Questionable.

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shadowban plz

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by dessant »

cookiengineer wrote: post #79
dessant wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those SDKs have indeed no place in Tor Browser, though at least they appear to be disabled. Have you witnessed Tor Browser sending telemetry data to these services on Android? https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/fenix/-/issue...

The issue I have with their response is that they argue that it's disabled because it has no API key. I think that's not a real solution because that can change at any time. A request sent is a request sent, relying on the server to block it is the opposite of what TOR initially stood for. I witnessed at least the Leanplum SDK taking action, and I thought I broke the App tbh. After a restart of the phone and clearing…

Thanks for the details, I think this should be properly investigated, and if you find any request to telemetry services in Tor Browser, your findings should be made public.
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