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Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by javierseballos »

gostsamo wrote: post #42
phh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the graveyard of Android privacy forks is that big? All I can think of is CopperheadOS which died because it was company-backed. You could argue CyanogenMod died, though really it's still well alive in LineageOS. (and CyanogenMod wasn't really privacy-focused) I have a very high respect for all the work that's been done on the various GNU/Linux mobile distributions, but it's still so far away from Andro…

The e.foundation sponsors MicroG, so it is not entirely true that they don't give back.

marketing bullshit

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by javierseballos »

francis-io wrote: post #51

How can this be "de-googled" but I can also use "all my favourite apps"? I'd love to step away from Google, but I have some requirements on apps from the play store for work (slack, okta) and personal communication (whatsapp).

You would be so disapointed with this OS ... Look for others :)

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by javierseballos »

1MachineElf wrote: post #43

Sounds really nice to me. I recently bought another LG V20 and had a small adventure installing LineageOS to it. The phone reboots randomly at times, which is unfortunate, but I haven't explored the possibility there's a fix for it out there somewhere.

If smthg doesn't work on LineageOS, then it certainly will NOT work on /e/ haha

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by noTrueScotsman »

Qwertious wrote: post #60

/e/ is mud among the LineageOS community (which is upstream of it), due to several reasons. Sadly I can't find the relevant /r/lineageOS posts . Here's some reading that covers the basic points though: https://intangiblesheep.neocities.org/rants/eelo.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191224031946/https://ewwlo.xyz...

The problem with the article is a semantic one but it should not be overlooked.

/e/ “believes” in open source. Less along the lines of “concerns itself with every philosophical checkbox”.

IMO you and the author are filling in the blanks as you wish, landing in the realm of no true Scotsman.

Freedom to create as one would > flocks of sheep.

Personal emotional religion must take a backseat to suggesting folks discuss or use their time otherwise.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by speeder »

olah_1 wrote: post #27
speeder wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just bought a KaiOS phone, waiting for it to arrive, I will see how it will behave.

It seems like KaiOS would actually be worse for privacy. Same apps but less ability to toggle permissions. What makes you interested in it?

For example it does not allow apps running on background (something that causes whatsapp web to not work at all).

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by nuand999 »

Qwertious wrote: post #60

/e/ is mud among the LineageOS community (which is upstream of it), due to several reasons. Sadly I can't find the relevant /r/lineageOS posts . Here's some reading that covers the basic points though: https://intangiblesheep.neocities.org/rants/eelo.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191224031946/https://ewwlo.xyz...

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Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by dessant »

cookiengineer wrote: post #70
Qwertious wrote: post #60

/e/ is mud among the LineageOS community (which is upstream of it), due to several reasons. Sadly I can't find the relevant /r/lineageOS posts . Here's some reading that covers the basic points though: https://intangiblesheep.neocities.org/rants/eelo.html https://web.archive.org/web/20191224031946/https://ewwlo.xyz...

I kinda agree with the sentiment in the articles from an AOSP/lineage/cyanogen perspective. They should definitely embrace the Telegram FOSS fork [1] and OSMAnd~ [2] (which is a superb offline navigation tool btw) and remove all Apps that require the Android 10 firebase hockey-based notifications. [5] and [6] A lot of apps use this for convenience and because it was _required_ since AOSP 10 but there are ways to work…

Those SDKs have indeed no place in Tor Browser, though at least they appear to be disabled. Have you witnessed Tor Browser sending telemetry data to these services on Android?

https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/fenix/-/issue...

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by megaraid999 »

izacus wrote: post #13

One of the things that feels a bit problematic here - the webpage is avoiding mention of the fact that this is still Android. In essence, this is still Google's OS and the team has decided to start a fight against Google by taking their opensource and perpetually fight against the main developer by removing their proprietary component. I don't think this is a fight that's sustainable - a giant graveyard of Android pr…

https://doc.e.foundation/what-s-e

I think the effort is very good. The result is excellent and it's really addressing a much bigger audience that PureOS.

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by cookiengineer »

dessant wrote: post #77
cookiengineer wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kinda agree with the sentiment in the articles from an AOSP/lineage/cyanogen perspective. They should definitely embrace the Telegram FOSS fork [1] and OSMAnd~ [2] (which is a superb offline navigation tool btw) and remove all Apps that require the Android 10 firebase hockey-based notifications. [5] and [6] A lot of apps use this for convenience and because it was _required_ since AOSP 10 but there are ways to work…

Those SDKs have indeed no place in Tor Browser, though at least they appear to be disabled. Have you witnessed Tor Browser sending telemetry data to these services on Android? https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/fenix/-/issue...

The issue I have with their response is that they argue that it's disabled because it has no API key. I think that's not a real solution because that can change at any time. A request sent is a request sent, relying on the server to block it is the opposite of what TOR initially stood for.

I witnessed at least the Leanplum SDK taking action, and I thought I broke the App tbh. After a restart of the phone and clearing all caches via the Settings App I could verify that it happened a second time.

But I have no idea whether it was a "chrome://" Page with an externally included JS - or triggered by the underlying SDK directly. In Firefox pre-quantum (pre fenix 9.5), the Extensions Page included Google Analytics for a while, so I was assuming that my installation process of uBlock Origin and uMatrix triggered it somehow down the line.

I decided to roll back to TOR 9.5 after it happened the second time on the same day and now I'm building my own Browser (Tholian Stealth) anyways... so I didn't decide to investigate further than a casual look at the codebase where LeanPlum still seems to be littered all over the place. [1]

[1] https://gitlab.torproject.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search=l...

Re: E Foundation – deGoogled unGoogled smartphone OS and online services

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Post by joecool1029 »

GTP wrote: post #16
izacus wrote: post #13

One of the things that feels a bit problematic here - the webpage is avoiding mention of the fact that this is still Android. In essence, this is still Google's OS and the team has decided to start a fight against Google by taking their opensource and perpetually fight against the main developer by removing their proprietary component. I don't think this is a fight that's sustainable - a giant graveyard of Android pr…

What about LineageOS + MicroG? It seems sustainable to me

LineageOS does not support MicroG officially, you will not receive support from them so I don't know what your benchmark for sustainability is.

The officially stated reason (I'm paraphrasing) was because it allows for fudging the signatures of apps and services on the OS, and this breaks the security model.

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