No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe Covid-19

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

amurale wrote: post #56

lultimouomo wrote: post #45

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Honest question: would you wait if there was a pact to the effect that either everyone takes the vaccine, or no one does? Because obviously not getting vaccinated when everybody else does is almost always the best choice game-theoretically speaking; it doesn't really say anything on the vaccine (it may say more on the civic sense of the individual).

Let's see... it's a calculus of death vs potential long term adverse effect: P(death) I'd take the vaccine in a heartbeat, long term effects and all, if P(death) was 10% or higher.

Post by nobleach » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 4:26 PM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #81

nobleach wrote: post #70

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A sunburn can change/damage your DNA.

And people take precautions to avoid it because skin cancer can result. Not sure that's the best counter example.

Post by qwerty1234599 » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

mchusma wrote: post #19

FDA says Dec 17 meeting to discuss. This contradicts some earlier opinions that the reason the FDA was taking so long to review Pfizer (Dec 10 scheduled date) was that they were planning to review 2-3 candidates together. For context, scheduling the meeting to review the candidates is running at 5-10% of the development time for these vaccines. 20M vaccines represent about 1/3 the elderly population in the US, there…

Post by totony » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 4:28 PM UTC

estebank wrote: post #123

totony wrote: post #108

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>With this being the case, how does it even make sense for companies like Ticketmaster and Quantas to announce that they'll require their customers to be vaccinated? This is such a weird take imo. There is no need to vaccine non-risk people afaik. I thought the whole deal with covid is how mild it is for the general population but deadly for a subset of it.

We don't know a priori who will have very adverse reactions. Comorbities and old age increase your chances, but those are categorically not the only variables at play.

Post by qwerty1234599 » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 4:29 PM UTC

abootstrapper wrote: post #29

ck2 wrote: post #8

Yeah but imagine being dumb enough to get infected and very sick over the next month before you can get both shots next year. Because there are going to be thousands, maybe millions who do that in the USA alone for no good reason.

Dumb people like teachers, doctors, nurses, first responders, the infirm, grocery stockers? Dumb people that have to work to pay their rent, mortgage, put food on the table? I know there are a lot of idiot anti-maskers running around, but being dumb is not a prerequisite to catching covid. Not everyone has the luxury of working from home.