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Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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With all due respect, MySpace was a dating site for many of both sexes. They even had a search filter based on physical attributes like any dating site. I had a female friend set up my profile specifically for this purpose in early 2006. Within hours after signing up a random girl sent me a message to ask if I had a girlfriend. The following week I went out on 3 dates. By the end of the year I met about 30 women in p…

It wasn't build as a dating-site and it wasn't sold as a dating-place. That some people misused it that way, doesn't mean every user is ok with this and likes to be annoyed by sex-spam. Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast... We have the algorithm-drived services with all their control and reduced friction because some people just can't behave well and must destroy the nice things for everyone.

There are inherent sexual dynamics in any social circle, be it myspace, facebook or the workplace. I don't think the current trend of perceiving any unwanted sexual interest as inherently bad is at all healthy for society.

P.S: i know and remember a lot of my friends who found their S.O. through facebook so it being alive arguanly disproves the assumption behind

>Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast...

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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With all due respect, MySpace was a dating site for many of both sexes. They even had a search filter based on physical attributes like any dating site. I had a female friend set up my profile specifically for this purpose in early 2006. Within hours after signing up a random girl sent me a message to ask if I had a girlfriend. The following week I went out on 3 dates. By the end of the year I met about 30 women in p…

It wasn't build as a dating-site and it wasn't sold as a dating-place. That some people misused it that way, doesn't mean every user is ok with this and likes to be annoyed by sex-spam. Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast... We have the algorithm-drived services with all their control and reduced friction because some people just can't behave well and must destroy the nice things for everyone.

There’s explicit marketing and implicit marketing. That you could search the population by age/height/hair color/relationship status meant implicitly, it was a dating site, albeit a crude one.

No one was misusing it for this purpose, it was obviously intended to be used this way by MySpace itself. I agree that not everyone wanted to use it that way and that was part of the friction in the platform... it was kinda meant to be everything to everyone.

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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Here's the thing: gopher & gemini are, in a sense, like Facebook: extremely uniform. In that sense, they are not even BBSes, because it's practically impossible to convey self expression beyond text. Don't get me wrong: one can easily get lost in gopherholes with 20+ years of content, but it's always only content. In contrast the web of the early 2000s was awesome, because you already could do a lot of really weird t…

Graphics or audio needs some sort of talent and ever-so-tiny amount of skills with some editing program to make it work. Text needs merely a QWERTY (or touchscreen) keyboard, and the ability to compose text in the natural language of your choice (which most are able to do by the age of 10, barring low-literacy areas). In that sense, text is much cheaper to use for self-expression, even though necessarily limited. On…

> Text needs merely a QWERTY (or touchscreen) keyboard, and the ability to compose text in the natural language of your choice

Writing is a lot more harder, than, for example, drawing. You said it yourself: "by the age of 10" compared to drawing, basically since someone can hold a crayon.

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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Also democracy, don't forget democracy is also a victim. :P

It is a well known fact that the 20th century was overflowing with amazing democracy. We had democracy coming out of ears back then. Then Facebook came along and destroyed all that vast success humans have had with implementing and upholding fair democratic systems all over the world. It was utopia until 2007-2008 when Facebook went mainstream. Wait, I got that all backwards. The world is more democratic today than i…

I think the comment above yours was mostly joking, or at least deliberately simplifying things.

But since we’re here and I can’t resist, I agree with you that statements like “x is destroying democracy” are meaningless hyperbole. Social media has a role in influencing the outcome of the democratic process, sure, but to say it is ERASING DEMOCRACY is ridiculous. It doesn’t mean anything. We still vote, and those votes still matter.

My nostalgia for the internet of yore and the affects of social media on democracy are pretty much divorced ideas anyway, I really did just mean for my original comment to be a funnysad observation

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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It wasn't build as a dating-site and it wasn't sold as a dating-place. That some people misused it that way, doesn't mean every user is ok with this and likes to be annoyed by sex-spam. Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast... We have the algorithm-drived services with all their control and reduced friction because some people just can't behave well and must destroy the nice things for everyone.

There’s explicit marketing and implicit marketing. That you could search the population by age/height/hair color/relationship status meant implicitly, it was a dating site, albeit a crude one. No one was misusing it for this purpose, it was obviously intended to be used this way by MySpace itself. I agree that not everyone wanted to use it that way and that was part of the friction in the platform... it was kinda mea…

> That you could search the population by age/height/hair color/relationship status meant implicitly, it was a dating site, albeit a crude one.

In the first place it means they knew about a problem, and searched for ways to solve it. It does not mean they wanted to enforce it and spread it. Relationship status is a big hint there.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with annoying people who want to be annoyed. But ignorantly bothering anyone just because you can is harmful.

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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post #271

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It wasn't build as a dating-site and it wasn't sold as a dating-place. That some people misused it that way, doesn't mean every user is ok with this and likes to be annoyed by sex-spam. Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast... We have the algorithm-drived services with all their control and reduced friction because some people just can't behave well and must destroy the nice things for everyone.

There are inherent sexual dynamics in any social circle, be it myspace, facebook or the workplace. I don't think the current trend of perceiving any unwanted sexual interest as inherently bad is at all healthy for society. P.S: i know and remember a lot of my friends who found their S.O. through facebook so it being alive arguanly disproves the assumption behind >Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast...

> There are inherent sexual dynamics in any social circle,

Yes, it maybe there, but no, It's only a problem if people make it one. It's not there by default and unavoidable.

> I don't think the current trend of perceiving any unwanted sexual interest as inherently bad is at all healthy for society.

That's a pretty hostile view.

> P.S: i know and remember a lot of my friends who found their S.O. through facebook so it being alive arguanly disproves the assumption behind

There is a difference between making friends and eventually hooking up with one/some of them, and going out to make victims on purpose.

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

#277

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There’s explicit marketing and implicit marketing. That you could search the population by age/height/hair color/relationship status meant implicitly, it was a dating site, albeit a crude one. No one was misusing it for this purpose, it was obviously intended to be used this way by MySpace itself. I agree that not everyone wanted to use it that way and that was part of the friction in the platform... it was kinda mea…

> That you could search the population by age/height/hair color/relationship status meant implicitly, it was a dating site, albeit a crude one. In the first place it means they knew about a problem, and searched for ways to solve it. It does not mean they wanted to enforce it and spread it. Relationship status is a big hint there. Yes, there is nothing wrong with annoying people who want to be annoyed. But ignorantly…

If they wanted to solve it they would remove that feature entirely. Relationship status was there to facilitate. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree here.

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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post #271

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It wasn't build as a dating-site and it wasn't sold as a dating-place. That some people misused it that way, doesn't mean every user is ok with this and likes to be annoyed by sex-spam. Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast... We have the algorithm-drived services with all their control and reduced friction because some people just can't behave well and must destroy the nice things for everyone.

There are inherent sexual dynamics in any social circle, be it myspace, facebook or the workplace. I don't think the current trend of perceiving any unwanted sexual interest as inherently bad is at all healthy for society. P.S: i know and remember a lot of my friends who found their S.O. through facebook so it being alive arguanly disproves the assumption behind >Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast...

But MySpace was obviously setup to be used as a dating site and was rampantly used as such... Facebook created an environment where this type of activity would be seen as hostile.

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are inherent sexual dynamics in any social circle, be it myspace, facebook or the workplace. I don't think the current trend of perceiving any unwanted sexual interest as inherently bad is at all healthy for society. P.S: i know and remember a lot of my friends who found their S.O. through facebook so it being alive arguanly disproves the assumption behind >Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast...

> There are inherent sexual dynamics in any social circle, Yes, it maybe there, but no, It's only a problem if people make it one. It's not there by default and unavoidable. > I don't think the current trend of perceiving any unwanted sexual interest as inherently bad is at all healthy for society. That's a pretty hostile view. > P.S: i know and remember a lot of my friends who found their S.O. through facebook so it…

>Yes, it maybe there, but no, It's only a problem if people make it one. It's not there by default and unavoidable.

It seems to me unavoidable that human would look for sex. The notion that sex is pillar to human endeavour has been a strongly held view of a lot of psychologists. I also don't believe sexual social dynamics are a problem (but im not sure if thats what you were saying).

>victim

This mentality underlies a very unhealthy view of dating imo. You don't have to be friends with someone prior to dating them.

Re: Show HN: I Rebuilt MySpace from 2007

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post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are inherent sexual dynamics in any social circle, be it myspace, facebook or the workplace. I don't think the current trend of perceiving any unwanted sexual interest as inherently bad is at all healthy for society. P.S: i know and remember a lot of my friends who found their S.O. through facebook so it being alive arguanly disproves the assumption behind >Kinda speaks for that myspace failed so fast...

But MySpace was obviously setup to be used as a dating site and was rampantly used as such... Facebook created an environment where this type of activity would be seen as hostile.

But Facebook was also setup as a dating site. You also get recommended friends and interact with people you don't know which facilitates meeting and dating new people.

The fact that it's more hostile now I believe is only because they have switched their focus from a social circle interaction to optimizjng for metrics such as engagement and page views, which afaik generally tends to a more hostile and polarized environment.

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