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Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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Perhaps this should be added to discussion: https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-... Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. Accordi…

Article One:

>After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September

Addendum:

> This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years.

Am I the only person confused with the language here? What is the difference between "Total deaths per age category" and "total raw death count"?

Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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Reduced commute stress? More family time? Schedule flexibility? Better eating? More sleep?

The link goes in detail, but the main point is that deaths were attributed to covid even if the underlying cause for the death was heat disease. In some states you actually received a discount on medical expenses if you said your loved one died from covid

Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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DISCLAIMER: I initially did not have access to the original presentation. The original presentation is far better from what I can tell compared to how it has been represented in both right wing and left wing media at presenting their claims with nuance that has largely been left out of other reports.

Many of the conclusions drawn in the paper and in articles reporting on it are overblown or misleading on their own. There was good reason John Hopkins added a five paragraph disclaimer and a "RETRACTED" watermark to this on their own site.

If you doubt me or disagree, look at the claim of the paper that has been reported on by various media outlets. It essentially states that looking at cdc data there is drop in other forms of death that was replaced with covid deaths, meaning that there was no actual increase in deaths. Now, go pull up the cdc data that breaks down how many people died of each cause per week for 2019 and 2020 [1]. Using either the on-website graph creator, python notebooks, excel, or your data scientist tool of choice try to recreate a graph showing all causes of death by week that supports this paper. I quickly got a graph that showed a simple reality, compared to 2019 there has been an increase in deaths per week that almost precisely corresponds with the numbers of covid deaths per week.

If you want to argue the number of covid deaths is too low to worry about or it was handled well, go for it. Just don't get sheeped into believing that covid deaths aren't real.

[1] https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-a...

EDIT: Apparently the video presentation this paper is based on is out there at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKJN61aflI . Since I have not finished it I've amended the post considerably and added a disclaimer since I used some strong words originally. Many thanks to the commenter who pointed me to the youtube presentation.

Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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One thing I find very interesting is the effect of other factors on the total number of deaths. For example, the 2008 recession was linked with over 260,000 excess deaths from cancer alone [0]. All of the things associated with a lockdown - high stress, decreased social contact, less movement, less economic activity - are also associated with serious increases in other deaths. At what point does a lockdown have negative EV in terms of general public health?

To copy a previous comment of mine - regardless of the actual effect of lockdowns, I think this has become such a political issue in the US that the American left would be very hard pressed to publicly change course.

I really hope that statisticians are able to look past their own personal convictions and look at possible ways our assumptions may have been incorrect. (Personally speaking, I wear a mask, I don't think the coronavirus is a giant conspiracy by the lizard people etc. but I do recognize that the modern scientific community has a tendency to think one way, and then remain cemented in that way for a while.)

[0] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/economic-do...

Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had heart disease, but would have lived for five more years without being infected by covid-19, what was the primary cause of death?

Covid because the hospital gets a fat fed check everytime they handle a covid death.

Bull fucking shit. Conspiratorial garbage.

Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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Not surprising. There is a strong economic incentive, passed by Congress, for hospitals and providers to milk covid-positive patients. Elective procedures are also down substantially, so they have to make a living somewhere.

Stop using imprecise language to imply unproven conspiracies. Tell us what you really mean. Are you saying that there is widespread fraud in hospitals' reporting of Cause of Death? Why is this more likely than the many other possible explanations for heart disease death reduction?

Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had heart disease, but would have lived for five more years without being infected by covid-19, what was the primary cause of death?

Covid because the hospital gets a fat fed check everytime they handle a covid death.

even if numbers were inflated due to the monetary incentive, this would only account for numbers in the USA. look at the excess deaths world wide and you can see the average is up everywhere.

Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had heart disease, but would have lived for five more years without being infected by covid-19, what was the primary cause of death?

Covid because the hospital gets a fat fed check everytime they handle a covid death.

Link evidence of widespread conspiratorial fraud please. I won't hold my breath.

Re: Johns Hopkins: Heart Disease Deaths Dropped in 2020 [pdf]

#30

Perhaps this should be added to discussion: https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-... Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. Accordi…

Yes, this link extremely dishonestly links to the Google cache version of the article, specifically in order to not show that it was retracted due to being misleading and inaccurate.

This is 100% malicious misinformation and should not be posted anywhere.

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