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Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

Children are taught to not question what they're told, because it's much easier on parents and teachers when children don't question what they're told. Then when they're adults they lack any kind of critical thinking skills because they've been miseducated and they're easy targets for disinformation. To me, the solution is obviously better education. When people believe the Earth is round only because that's what the…

Churches lose membership and therefore money when schools teach critical thinking effectively. Given the power of the church over the last thousand years, it is unsurprising that progress in education has been so stymied.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Wow, your post is beyond sinister! 1) He did not imply the world would be "good" if the CIA didn't exist. That's a ridiculous take and is smearing a very well researched channel. 2) Youtube didn't just stop promoting this piece. They are hiding it. You can't find it even if you search for it. 3) He's not just trying to "create a buzz", department of homeland security paid him a visit now his videos are disappearing -…

Replying point by point: (1) He does imply that in the script yes, in several ways. Pay close attention to moments like "like a good democracy should never have interference". (2) The bit about YouTube hiding is good point taken, I didn't notice that, I thought it was just not showing up in recommended videos. (3) He is also trying to create a buzz, the homeland security visit is not related to that video. My point i…

There use to be a reasonable channel by a retired CIA employee. His many videos simply showed pictures of a country along with the declassified text about the mission. The channel one day just vanished. The "why?" is left up to our imagination. All I know is that making the channel took a good bit of effort and the content was historically significant.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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It's understandable that you have been misled in this way; enforcing this particular myth seems to be the primary purpose of USA public schools. I recommend historian Gerald Horne. He has identified Somerset v Stewart as an important event in inspiring American slaveholders and their sometime lawyer John Adams to start the Revolutionary War. That is, they fought a war in large part so that they wouldn't have to give…

Horne is a clumsy propagandist and you've been thoroughly propagandized. In this kind of history, all nuance (like Adams' views on slavery) is lost and all historical events are made to fit a predetermined narrative. In addition to being wrong, it's incredibly boring stuff.

A clumsy propagandist for whom? A secret cabal of evildoers who plot the day that USA will do less racist shit?

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

Maybe you can link some of the numerous top comments you've run across that are very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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I agree 100%. The lack of critical thinking skills in this country is a national security threat. We need a national initiative improve the baseline education and critical thinking skills of the next generation. The powers that be, haven't got the memo yet that it doesn't benefit them anymore to have a populous which is easily manipulated. In the past, old media acted as parameter control, though concentrated ownersh…

It’s been tried. It’s how we got “new math“

To be clear i did say a "national initiative" not a "national curriculum".

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Bringing up "the wrongs of the past" is entirely appropriate in response to a comment asking about why America was founded.

No. It is largely irrelevant to what the person's point was because they weren't really asking why America was founded. I am sure you will quote it verbatim and say "it says exactly those words" while ignoring the actual intent.

How else am I to interpret this, then?

> Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

This statement was made to suggest that America has gotten away from the reasons it was founded. It is entirely reasonable to discuss the historical reasons for the founding of America, which included the desire of white property owners to be guaranteed "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," without interference from their government. Oh, and they kinda didn't want to pay taxes without representation, either.

Yes, I am massively oversimplifying it here. But, I don't want to sit here and write a draft of the book that it would take to actually cover the subject with sufficient detail and nuance.

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post #170
post #95

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Children are taught to not question what they're told, because it's much easier on parents and teachers when children don't question what they're told. Then when they're adults they lack any kind of critical thinking skills because they've been miseducated and they're easy targets for disinformation. To me, the solution is obviously better education. When people believe the Earth is round only because that's what the…

> Children are taught to not question what they're told, because it's much easier on parents and teachers when children don't question what they're told. Then when they're adults they lack any kind of critical thinking skills because they've been miseducated and they're easy targets for disinformation. I'm gonna guess you don't have children. Children like easy-to-follow directions. They don't understand nuance at al…

Young children absolutely need easy-to-follow directions because they can't follow complicated directions.

I'm not arguing against easy-to-follow directions, so I don't quite see your point. I'm against parents and schools encouraging unquestioning obedience to their directions.

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Horne is a clumsy propagandist and you've been thoroughly propagandized. In this kind of history, all nuance (like Adams' views on slavery) is lost and all historical events are made to fit a predetermined narrative. In addition to being wrong, it's incredibly boring stuff.

A clumsy propagandist for whom? A secret cabal of evildoers who plot the day that USA will do less racist shit?

Just because you view all history as the result of a "secret cabal of evildoers" (in this case, plotting to preserve slavery) doesn't mean I have to.

As you let slip here, Horne's writings aren't about history: they're a form public of agitation so that "the USA will do less racist shit". Which would be fine if he was a social critic or a politician. But he's been passing himself off as a historian.

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