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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

Let's not generalize "people like yourself", when people like myself hold a much more nuanced view of U.S. history and progress than your post suggests.

Yes, we have made a lot of progress over time and will continue to do so. However, I think you need to read my comment in the context of the original post, which was "do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?". I think a perfectly reasonable response to a question like that is to put the founding of the country into perspective.

Not sure how you can compare something to the past, but only look at the positive sides instead of the negative. Or at the very least, not provide just a understanding of an interpretation as you have done, except towards the present.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

the video uploader is promoting his own competitor to youtube, a streaming service. that is mentioned in the end of the video, and it should really be mentioned in the thread title.

There are dozens of YouTubers on that platform who regularly advertise it in their videos on YouTube. Doubt that has anything to do with this.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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It would be helpful for people who have previously come out against cancel culture and deplatforming to defend the principle for someone who is not a member of their political tribe. Independent of the content of the video and who it happened to offend, the deceptive practice of shadow banning is reprehensible. Tar-pitting spammers is one thing, deceiving creators, especially ones who are politically engaged as to th…

It would be helpful for people who have previously come out against cancel culture and deplatforming to defend the principle for someone who is not a member of their political tribe

Granted. Principle defended and censorship of other political tribes condemned.

So does that mean we now get an apology from the other lot if the tables have indeed turned?

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

#64

Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

> It takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world

Where does it claim that? I'm not saying you are lying. I didn't watch it properly so I may have missed it.

> It's a bit näive to not see this as anti-government propaganda.

I don't know what that means. Are you saying that something in the video is untrue or just that it contains facts that make the US government look bad? Would you describe a similar video criticizing an enemy of the US government (whether another government, terrorist organisation, or something else) in the same way?

> Youtube's goals is not the same as the authors

I think the problem here is if YouTube's goal is to help the government who (according to the author) is Google's customer. YouTube is under no obligation to do anything to help spread the author's video, but they should definitely be criticised for working with an organisation committing horrible abuses and acts of violence.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

Bringing up "the wrongs of the past" is entirely appropriate in response to a comment asking about why America was founded.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

I think the OP's author makes a pretty good point: the censorship itself doesn't bother him; it's the opaqueness that's a problem. If they just said "this is censored because the CIA requires it", he'd be fine (his own words from the OP) I can understand the call for censorship, but I don't see any particular value in the opaqueness.

Any censorship is going to be pretty opaque. The author accuses Youtube of lying to him, but I don't think it was a lie; most likely, whoever runs the TeamYoutube account simply looked it up in the support documentation, which really does say what they told him (https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/58097?hl=en).

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

Wow, your post is beyond sinister!

1) He did not imply the world would be "good" if the CIA didn't exist. That's a ridiculous take and is smearing a very well researched channel.

2) Youtube didn't just stop promoting this piece. They are hiding it. You can't find it even if you search for it.

3) He's not just trying to "create a buzz", department of homeland security paid him a visit now his videos are disappearing - if you think that's not worrisome, well damn!

4) Implying that if you create an axiom that has not been "state approved" then you deserve to get delisted?

Insanely dystopian because you more or less don't seem to care and justify state intervention in private well researched but pretty bland political historical takes.

His views are not that radical. Almost standard in many European countries and that result in some state agency coming to his door and threatening him? Like what??

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voltaire said something like "to know who your masters are, look at who you can't criticize".

And the popular reply to that is "orphans with leukemia"

You don't go in court nor in jail for that. So you can indeed criticize them even if it probably will cost you socially.

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Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

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