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Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by fma »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

I have no views on the video, I didn’t watch it, but tech companies censoring and pushing back against free speech troubles me. Individuals and companies have the right to do what they want with their own property, and I don’t have any great ideas on how to solve this dilemma. One solution would be to have many platforms but we live in a winner take all world and platforms like YT get more powerful because of network…

If you look at the current fracturing of conservative media...with Trump supporters fleeing to OANN and Newsmax...what you'll get is that an audience would only watch things that reinforces their beliefs for the dopamine hit, and people will do anything to monetize it, including telling extreme lies over and over (and standing by claiming it's just their opinion that covid is fake, protected by by free speech, while hospitals bed are getting overloaded)

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by sudoaza »

3663288262 wrote: post #16

Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

So enumerating historical events became being a fringe thinker?

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by jeanlucas »

tsimionescu wrote: post #98
inatreecrown2 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the video uploader is promoting his own competitor to youtube, a streaming service. that is mentioned in the end of the video, and it should really be mentioned in the thread title.

There are many videos promoting competitors to YouTube that don't get shadow banned, nor visits from Homeland Security. For example The Legal Eagle channel always promotes a competitor to YouTube, as paid advertising in each video.

You're mixing the arguments.

I did not say he is getting Homeland Security visits because of a previous video, he got it because he is criticizing the country he lives in, and that country does not and never had opening to do that.

And I did not mean that his video is being unlisted because of Nebula, the reason is because of the kind of content.

My point about Nebula/YouTube is that his critics of YouTube are biased, since he gains something if people move to Nebula (in the long and the short run).

Legal Eagle fan here \o

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by austincheney »

kossTKR wrote: post #68
jeanlucas wrote: post #23

Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

Wow, your post is beyond sinister! 1) He did not imply the world would be "good" if the CIA didn't exist. That's a ridiculous take and is smearing a very well researched channel. 2) Youtube didn't just stop promoting this piece. They are hiding it. You can't find it even if you search for it. 3) He's not just trying to "create a buzz", department of homeland security paid him a visit now his videos are disappearing -…

Its not dystopian only because somebody has a difference of opinion. That is perhaps the opposite of dystopian.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by jancsika »

> Yesterday morning I released a video titled "The CIA is a Terrorist Organization." Unsurprisingly, it was instantly demonetized. Fine. I'm used to that.

Everything after, "Fine. I'm used to that," is irrelevant.

This thread is apparently content using services built with a spirit functionally equivalent to, "Let's see if we can do the opposite of all four of the freedoms of the GPL."

And as long as everyone is content with these algorithmic blackboxes controlling discoverability for most of the population, we'll continue discussing heinous second-order effects of these systems. Here and now it happens to be free speech, but there are plenty of others waiting in the wings for as long as we avoid the main problem.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

motohagiography wrote: post #32

It would be helpful for people who have previously come out against cancel culture and deplatforming to defend the principle for someone who is not a member of their political tribe. Independent of the content of the video and who it happened to offend, the deceptive practice of shadow banning is reprehensible. Tar-pitting spammers is one thing, deceiving creators, especially ones who are politically engaged as to th…

> "It would be helpful for people who have previously come out against cancel culture and deplatforming to defend the principle for someone who is not a member of their political tribe."

Very well, as a liberal, I duly condemn this deplatforming. All people who claim to believe in the tenets of Enlightenment liberalism should.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by shap3 »

Sorry is there evidence that the DHS were actually involved here as claimed in the author's twitter feed? Or do we take this at face value?

edit - and what does a DHS visit look like? Do they knock on your door at 6am or leave a card to call them back? Sorry I've never been in this situation before so I'd be interested in more details on that side of things.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by sudoaza »

itronitron wrote: post #148

Searching the video title on DuckDuckGo gives the Youtube video as the top search result. Put that into your crack pipe and smoke it.

Search that in Youtube and in Google and you'll see it's nowhere, only the reactions to it being shadowbanned.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by forest_dweller »

benrbray wrote: post #51
forest_dweller wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

To be fair, the person you're responding to only brought up this viewpoint in response to another poster who seems to hold the view that the founding fathers were just as progressive as we are today.

I've already addressed why that is in all likelihood incorrect.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25245794

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by freeflight »

forest_dweller wrote: post #43
bladegash wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

A lot of these "wrongs" are not really as far in the past as you imply there.

For example the political landscape in the US, is still very much dominated by economic elite interest groups. [0]

People are still actively disfranchised from participating in the democratic process, having their right to vote taken from them over a criminal history. After they came out of the literally largest incarceration system of the planet. Locking people up under circumstances that in most of the developed "Western world" are bluntly considered torture [1].

But torture is apparently a-okay as long as it's described in euphemisms like "enhanced interrogation", just like assassinating US citizens is a-okay [2] as long as it allegedly keeps the "homeland safe".

Just like involuntary servitude, aka slavery, is still very much a thing in the US, it the race based variant of that may have been abolished as an "institution" but the practice still very much exists as punishment for crime.

That's just domestic, that whole can of worms only gets nastier foreign policy wise with wars of aggression and the casual and regular disregard for other countries sovereignty.

As such, these are not events from some far-flung past we judge with completely different standards, these are very current and still on-going events being judged with the current standards.

[0] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-rights-un-usa-torture-idU...

[2] https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-o...

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