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Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by capableweb »

jmnicolas wrote: post #28
kossTKR wrote: post #17

Talk about the military industry, crime financial complex, pretexts to war or history of US foreign policy - anything with actual weight that isn't just "culture wars" - and see yourself get delisted from Google, smeared in the media, then get harassed by various agencies until you either flee the country or end up like Hastings or car bombed like Daphne. There is only freedom of speech until you actually go against…

Voltaire said something like "to know who your masters are, look at who you can't criticize".

That quote seems to be coming from nazist and convict Kevin Alfred Strom, not Voltaire. According to Wikipedia, the full quote is "To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?" and Strom first published "All America Must Know the Terror that is Upon Us" in 1993.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/27/cory-...

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by swiley »

It's been known for a while that youtube is not a good platform for anything political. Google has been shadow banning political videos they didn't like since Obama was in office and publicly talking about it.

There are other video sites you can go to for this sort of thing.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by Supermancho »

forest_dweller wrote: post #43
bladegash wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

> People like yourself

You mean people who are interested in analysis of history? You don't want to consider it. That's fine...oh wait...what about:

> Some argue the separation of church and state can be traced back to the bible

Some people argue people rode Dinosaurs. That's about as compelling, as well. For the most of the cultures that contributed to writing portions of the Bible, religious text was law.

> remind people that things were less than perfect in the past

The point is about intent, which is relevant. "less perfect" or whatever that's supposed to mean to you, is irrelevant. This is history, not a relative comparison of ideals.

> You cannot judge people of the past by the standards of today.

Sure you can. Confusing Moral analysis and Contextual analysis is noise.

> the need to character assasinate

Characters are caricatures (incomplete) if you ignore known qualities. Interestingly enough, while you are objecting strongly to the characterization you could have noted that bladegash might have been wrong about the Patrick Henry quote.

Maybe spend more time researching, instead of emotionally posting.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by pydry »

belval wrote: post #57
cblconfederate wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It s as if we rediscover liberalism in full circles

My pet theory is that there will always be a constant loop much like the prey-predator relationship. We start by going in one direction i.e. liberalism, then we realize that some pieces of authoritarianism might be good for a problem we currently have, so we water it down a bit. Fast forward 50-70 years, we realize that the balance has swung too much to one side so we try to do a sharp turn. That action causes an ove…

We're on a loop alright, but it's caused by the interplay of the more numerous working/underclasses and elites struggling to stay on top.

Currently we are at the bit of the loop where the underclasses are thrashing out and the elites are trying to channel that rage somehow.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by bladegash »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #54
bladegash wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

I would add one additional qualifier to your statement, it was wealthy white men, not merely white men. To the extent we tend to project the past onto the present, it doesn't make sense to see a random white male construction worker as part of this powerful elite who was denying women the right to vote or enslaving anyone. It was a very small number of people who had power, and like all people in power, wrote rules t…

That is a great point and I wish I had added that in! It definitely wasn't comparable with that of those in power, and much of the Anti-Federalists' fading into nonexistence was due to that power imbalance. However, I would say white men lower in socioeconomic status still held far greater rights than that of, for example, slaves and women.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by capableweb »

gruez wrote: post #53
kossTKR wrote: post #17

Talk about the military industry, crime financial complex, pretexts to war or history of US foreign policy - anything with actual weight that isn't just "culture wars" - and see yourself get delisted from Google, smeared in the media, then get harassed by various agencies until you either flee the country or end up like Hastings or car bombed like Daphne. There is only freedom of speech until you actually go against…

>Talk about the military industry, crime financial complex, pretexts to war or history of US foreign policy [...] and see yourself get delisted from Google, smeared in the media, then get harassed by various agencies uhh, what? You frequently see posts critical of all of those on reddit and hn, and to my knowledge the things you've listed didn't happen to them.

I don't know what to think here. If you get harassed by US agencies, you might stop posting on the internet, so we wouldn't see anything from them. Simply impossible for us to guess what happens to strangers on the internet, after they post US critical thinking publicly.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by Natsu »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #26
zpeti wrote: post #12

People who cheer when "right wing" misinformation is censored, should think very carefully about what just happened here. And why, for 200 years, free speech and anti-censorship has been extremely important to Americans. There's a reason the ACLU defended nazis being able to protest. Because eventually censorship will ALWAYS be turned on your side. Whichever side you are on.

You're phrasing this as though censorship of leftism were a hypothetical, when in fact it's been happening for over a century. Read about the Red Scare (both the well-known one in the 1950s and the lesser-known one after World War I) [1] and COINTELPRO [2] for a start. There's even an example in the thread: the DHS confronted the person about "anti-American sentiment" for posting a video about police brutality. Conti…

You'd do better with examples that aren't from the 1950s.

And #2 was run by Deep Throat (Mike Felt) himself.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by musingsole »

belval wrote: post #57
cblconfederate wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It s as if we rediscover liberalism in full circles

My pet theory is that there will always be a constant loop much like the prey-predator relationship. We start by going in one direction i.e. liberalism, then we realize that some pieces of authoritarianism might be good for a problem we currently have, so we water it down a bit. Fast forward 50-70 years, we realize that the balance has swung too much to one side so we try to do a sharp turn. That action causes an ove…

I don't think it's a given that revolution and violence reset the cycle to liberalism. There would appear to be plenty of examples where the chaos just ushers in a greater degree of authoritarianism and how much liberalism that follows a power change is just caused by the period of new power consolidating its control?

Even if it's a matter of picking the right start and stop times to a cycle, every iteration would be heterogeneous enough that calling it a cycle is probably missing some important behaviors.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by boudin »

jeanlucas wrote: post #23

Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

I didn't see any claim in the video that the CIA is the only organization of such sort. It might make you feel this way because it's entirely focused on the CIA.

It didn't claim neither that the world would be fair without the CIA.

It's definitely one-sided and is just a quick overview of the CIA (but you wouldn't expect more from a short video on such a big subject), but I fail to see how it is propaganda.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by TeMPOraL »

everdrive wrote: post #34

What exactly happens when Youtube shadowbans a video? The creator believes it's accessible, but no one else can access it?

From the Twitter thread, I understand the video becomes secretly unlisted - not reachable in any way other than having a direct URL to it.
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