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Tangent: BMW has developed a new diamond-coated chain for motorcycles which they claim requires no regular maintenance. (Motorcycle chains, which are external and near the ground, have to be cleaned and re-lubricated every 300-500 miles for maximum life.) https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/08/27/m-endurance-motorbike-cha...
What do they make the cogs out of?
New bike chain claims to be faster, more durable
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#172Every so many years I see a post like this where they claim to have improved the drive chain of bicycles and they really never go anywhere, mainly because they aren't compatible with other kit. I've built and repaired quite a few push bikes over the years I am still using fairly standard shimano kit. The problem with exotic equipment is that even decent shops might not be able to repair it and it normally requires sp…
As a mountain biker primarily, chasing marginal gains on chain improvements seems strange to me. Chains are a wear item, and small gains in the efficiency are going to be lost pretty quickly after the first few times it’s been ground through mud, sand and grit, which will take all of one ride.
More generally, novel drivetrain products often seem to take off early in the tt/tri world which also don't really have to deal with those issues.
It's also worth noting that anything that all else being equal, improved efficiency goes hand in hand with better longevity. As an example, applying a hot chain wax is a winner in terms of watts, but it's also cheaper in the long run.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the pro level, bicycles are regularly below regulation weight, and then dead weight is added to get back to spec. So, there is budget for extra weight for higher performance parts. However, the rule of thumb is to minimize rotational weight (e.g., wheels) due to the increase in rotational inertia. I wonder whether chain weight is similarly problematic.
Just for argument’s sake, does rotational weight really give a performance impact? I expect it marginally improves initial acceleration but I also expect top speed is unchanged. Heavier wheels would allow you to coast for longer without needing to pedal (conservation of momentum) but besides the initial acceleration performance is mostly unchanged. Unless you’re constantly stopping and starting idk if it makes much d…
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I have to be honest, when IKEA launched the Sladda, I had high hope that they'd sell a zillion of them so I could pick one up barely used for a pittance in a couple years. Sadly, that seems to have not happened, and we'll have to wait a bit longer for the belt drive to become commonplace :-(
Wasn't that the one subject of a recall because the belt could break? Recall for refund, not for repair. So a complete failure.
I wonder if the frame wasn't built to allow belt replacement?
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#175Whenever i see things like this, i immediatly think "Audiophile". you know, the $238 "Directionally balanced" Ethernet cables, or the "low oxygen" copper. Once people take their hobby too far, you will end up with things like this. For $2K you can buy our (exotic and unnecessarily expensive metal) chain, which reduces friction to 0 and lasts forever. I ride a fair amount (150-200KM a week in the summers) and am alway…
This is more like "random concept car" / F1 than audiophilia. The idea here, if it is sound and measures well, is basically only useful to track racers (because they race single-speed bicycles). Current chains are extremely efficient, and mostly compatible at the same nominal width (expressed as 10-speed, 11-speed, 12-speed). And they are very cheap. People do spend absurd money shaving grams on bikes, but this produ…
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#176Great chain, but the Gates Carbon Drive is likely a superior technology. Europe has largely adopted it, but it is rare in the states. I have a Riese & Müller bike with a Gates Carbon Drive and it is absolutely lovely. Silent, but best of all, no grease on my pants or hands, ever. They handle dirt and dust super well (just dry off and wipe down with a cloth/no gears get jammed with a sealed planetary gear system). It…
How do you handle gears with the belt? Most of the bike I've seen in the US that use the system are single-speeds. I suppose you could use a internally-geared hub, but a Rohloff is mega-expensive and the Shimano offerings leave a lot to be desired.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a mountain biker primarily, chasing marginal gains on chain improvements seems strange to me. Chains are a wear item, and small gains in the efficiency are going to be lost pretty quickly after the first few times it’s been ground through mud, sand and grit, which will take all of one ride.
This is being marketed to track cyclists who have none of those issues. More generally, novel drivetrain products often seem to take off early in the tt/tri world which also don't really have to deal with those issues. It's also worth noting that anything that all else being equal, improved efficiency goes hand in hand with better longevity. As an example, applying a hot chain wax is a winner in terms of watts, but i…
The trade-off are explicitly made to have reduced longevity to have better efficiency.
Take tires for example. A low rolling resistance lightweight XC tire will have significant advantages over a dual casing 2.6" DH tire. The XC tire will smoke a DH tire but not have better longevity on dirt. The XC tire will be slower on some DH tracks and the DH will be slower on XC. If you ride a DH tire on a road it will ironically wear down more quickly than a typical XC tire, and you can shred an XC tire in one day on technical DH.
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This. On a mountain bike, replace the chain every 50 hours of use, or annually and the rest of the drivetrain will last for years. Or, if you're dumb and lazy (me!), ride the whole lot into the ground and replace the whole bike every few years because #shinynewtoy!
50 hours of use I assume this is a typo for 500?
Typical recommendations are every 500-750miles for a mountain bike. For the average mountain biker I think that would be more like every 125 hours at 6 mph. Mountain bike chains see much more abuse than road, and you can go further too.
You can be more scientific by using a chain ware tool to measure how much stretch there is.
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What about potential of the ceramicspeed driven design? https://www.ceramicspeed.com/en/driven/
Some cyclists are indoctrinated to the point that they might actually buy this insanity.
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#180The loss in a chain is nearly all in the roller as it engages with the first tooth in the front chain ring. Most of the force is being transferred from this first tooth, and it presses directly on the roller, which is also rolling into its seat position on the tooth. So a better design would have the roller get seated on the teeth before the force gets transferred to it, and then have no rolling until force transfer is done, then roll off gently.
A new chain on a new chainring engages at the bottom of the tooth, right where it seats, and the torque of the chain ring rolls it up the forward tooth ramp until the tangential component of the force pressing into the contact point equals the pedal force. This happens on all points engaged on the sprocket. So you get a lot of rolling, but that’s over a lot of rollers. As the chain wears, it gets longer, so the teeth catch early from the tip, and it rolls all the way down the tooth while the entire chain tension is all on that first roller.
This particular design has no rollers at all. It will still stretch because it has the same pin-plate interface, and it seems that a modest stretch may render it inoperable, but I’m not sure.