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Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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And you really don't think pharma qualifies as high-tech? Check e.g. for the OECD definition.

The context of the GP comments and the whole discussion, it's the "high-tech" in an IT sense of the term. Hence my remark. The high innovation ranking of Switzerland is most certainly not due to its computer/IT-related innovation. That's the point.

> is most certainly

So you're just assuming.

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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Not at all. Yes Switzerland is probably the best country if you want to follow the rules, have a good quality of life and good education for your children. Not much for developers who are looking for interesting challenges. This is due to the mentality of the population and the risk aversion of the investors. From a Swiss person.

I strongly agree with you. The country doesn't seem attractive at all to me. I'd rather think of Berlin, Paris or (sadly) London.

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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My personal theory is that determination whether a place can become a "Silicon Valley" is the population's attitude to drugs. If a developer can smoke a joint after a tough day or explore his or hers consciousness in other ways, without fear of going to jail and having their life ruined, then that attracts creative people. If you have creative people in one place, it all starts to come together.

Utah would be a counterpoint to this. More and more VC funding every year, yet doesn't have legal recreational marijuana.

Exceptions tend to prove the rule...

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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FWIW: I am a 2nd-time entrepreneur. I bootstrapped a company in Germany from 2004-2011, and sold it to Google then. As part of that I moved to Switzerland. I started another company in early 2018 in Zurich, believing the hype about it being a good place to do business. I won't go into details publicly, but: If your market and your potential acquirers are primarily in the US, and you think your startup will have a lon…

fyi, there's no private messaging option on HN - people usually post contact details in their profile.

Cool, updated the profile.

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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To me, Hanoi is the future of the startup world: - surprisingly libertarian pro-buisness environment - super low cost of living - supportive of expats working for american incorperated companies - easy visas - wonderful culture - great dating life - safe if you don’t go looking for trouble - instead of having to qualify for goverment benefits, the goverment controls prices for nessecities for everyone. - rapidly impr…

People are downvoting you, but this is basically what Obama thought too -- it was half the point of his "pivot". He thought SE Asia was the future. And, he'd know:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Barac...

Unlike 99% of Americans, the man had some perspective.

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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From what I've gathered when I looked into moving to CH (I could be wrong, and for personal/pandemic reasons didn't pursue this avenue), it's very hard to build a long term life in Switzerland and virtually impossible to gain citizenship through anything but marriage or extraordinary circumstances, but YMMV. If you want to move to Switzerland from the U.S. the easiest thing is to just go there on a 90-day visa, and c…

You can't extend your stay allowance by shuttling across the border every 90 days. There is a 180 day/year cap, exactly to suppress this sort of shenanigans.

Thanks! This makes sense!

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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If I could add one alternative place would be Vienna, Austria. The tech scene here is growing in a fast pace, even during covid most of the tech companies are still hiring quite a lot and the prospects for 2021 isn't looking bad. The city is full of life, bike and child friendly with a very large international community. I have been living here for the past 4 years and I can already feel the fast pace the tech scene here is following.

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The context of the GP comments and the whole discussion, it's the "high-tech" in an IT sense of the term. Hence my remark. The high innovation ranking of Switzerland is most certainly not due to its computer/IT-related innovation. That's the point.

> is most certainly So you're just assuming.

You are switching the subject.

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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> is most certainly So you're just assuming.

You are switching the subject.

No. You are. If you have really read the referenced article you must have noticed that its title is "Is Switzerland better than Silicon Valley for software developers?" (which has a rather different meaning than the title of this post, but maybe attracts less clicks) and it is about the Swiss tech scene and the demand and attractiveness for developers. I've answered to the unfounded reproach that Switzerland was "Not much for developers who are looking for interesting challenges". You then claimed that pharma wasn't high-tech, which is not true and overlooks the fact that a growing number of computer scientists work for life science. From my personal experience I can tell you that there are extremely interesting challenges, and a lot of ground breaking machine learning developments happen there today. It's not enough to just quickly read the headline and then claim some stuff without any basis. Are you Swiss? Do you work in Switzerland? Do you have any relevant experience supporting your claims?

Re: Switzerland – Europe's Silicon Valley for Developers?

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I don't know how egalitarian it is. Having visited Geneva and spoken with many people there about the crazy high cost of living - it seems that most low wage earners survive by living in nearby French towns and commuting in to work. That's an economy maintained by the indentured servitude of non-native people.

> it seems that most low wage earners survive by living in nearby French towns and commuting in to work My interviews with Swiss companies when discussing the employment form usually turn to "you can live in France and commute daily to Switzerland". Yeah, thanks no thanks.

I've done that and it was lovely! 20 minutes bike ride each way, crossing the border every morning and evening on my bike. Nicer than most commutes.

In bad weather taking the bus, which was always on time and never delayed in traffic.

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