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Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by xfiz »

MakersF wrote: post #43

I think it's important to notice that the point is not to keep how to make the cheese secret. The recipe for the cheese is actually encoded in the law, and you can download it freely ( https://www.parmigianoreggiano.com/it/consorzio-disciplinare... , in italian). During lockdown I was trying to make a regional cheese, and the law was the best recipe I could find, with extremely detailed steps. I think they are trying…

I'd be curious about a legal opinion, but as far as I understand it, the restrictions would only apply to actual commercial products. But he isn't actually selling the cheese as far as I know (only selling a video how to make the cheese).

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by sulam »

blunte wrote: post #122
raverbashing wrote: post #83

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Interestingly, the article mentions that the protection in Australia applies to wines but not Cheese

Can't imagine why Australian wine needs protection... Who would try to copy it?

Sorry, gonna go out on a limb and say you don’t try a lot of wines. Australia has some really great wines, both reds (Shiraz) and more recently whites (their Chardonnays are as good most of Napa’s). Their wine production is ~half of the USA, despite their much lower population and they export quite a lot of it (40 or 50%, I forget the exact number).

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by Spivak »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #159
CogitoCogito wrote: post #145

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> I guess the reason why the Italian consortium sent this (otherwise stupid) cease-and-desist to this poor Australian guy, is because they're desperately trying to defend the real stuff from the fakes. It's not "otherwise stupid" it _is_ stupid. They should be going after the counterfeiters not someone who is both trying to educate people on making as authentic a cheese as possible while simultaneously making very cl…

> That has _nothing_ to do with this youtuber. In your view. Not in mine. > trying to educate people on making as authentic a cheese as possible That's the problem. It's never going to be authentic. These kind of cheeses are not just about a recipe; they're also about the ingredients. I don't recall the specific details for grana padano, but to give you an example, the "prosciutto di Parma" is made from pigs who eat…

This kind of attitude is one of the stupidest things you encounter in cooking. Parmesan is a type of cheese that was popularized in two-ish provinces of Italy. It’s not a recipe handed down from God on stone tablets. It’s a product of what people had available at the time and would be different had history been different. Worshiping one specific recipe codified in law that tries to say that literally the exact recipe but made in Montana can’t call itself Parmesan is dumb beyond all reason.

Authenticity is a poison on the cooking community and does nothing but make others out of people who should be sharing and experimenting and evolving cuisine taking the lessons from others.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by Spivak »

varispeed wrote: post #160
vertis wrote: post #59

I had no idea that Grana Padano was a PDO. I can't help but feel that going around cease and desisting people that are passionately pursuing hobbies is a really bad idea. It reminds me of when the word Champagne was taken to court. The court ruled that the word could only be used by wine makers in the given region. What this resulted in was not I believe good for the Champagne region, despite the intent. The mind sha…

Do people really get fooled by this? For example if someone buys a "champagne" made in the UK, surely they must know this is not a real thing? And if they don't know then what difference does it make? If the real champagne is out of their budget, are they going to save money or buy something else in their price range?

Why would you say it’s not the real thing? Defining champagne to be made in a specific region of France is a cop-out. That is almost a meaningless definition because even within the region there are different types and recipes being used. It’s not like they have magical grapes. Sure it might taste a little different due to regional differences but that doesn’t make it worse or even not champagne. Whether it’s quality has to do with the vineyard rather than the geographic region.

If it’s bad because it cuts corners and uses cheap ingredients then that’s the problem.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by Spivak »

alkonaut wrote: post #94
howlgarnish wrote: post #81

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The price premium applies to all champagne though. Even the cheapest ones (eg the one at Aldi) start from $30, while basically indistinguishable if not superior prosecco/cava/sparkling can be had for $10.

Putting a good $15 bottle on the table doesn't tell your friends "I really want to celebrate this. It's a special occasion to me". The $35 champagne that might inded be worse, does. Especially if you are the kind that often drinks the $15 ones! And that's imho the selling point of (at least the lower end) champagne. I still do that occasionally. A $20 difference is a pretty small price for a "signal". It's not stupid…

I must be in a casual social circle because a popping a 5 bottle of bubbly is just as celebratory. The idea of getting out “the good alcohol” for a special occasion is so foreign to me.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by namdnay »

Spivak wrote: post #164
varispeed wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really get fooled by this? For example if someone buys a "champagne" made in the UK, surely they must know this is not a real thing? And if they don't know then what difference does it make? If the real champagne is out of their budget, are they going to save money or buy something else in their price range?

Why would you say it’s not the real thing? Defining champagne to be made in a specific region of France is a cop-out. That is almost a meaningless definition because even within the region there are different types and recipes being used. It’s not like they have magical grapes. Sure it might taste a little different due to regional differences but that doesn’t make it worse or even not champagne. Whether it’s quality…

Defining Champagne to be made in Champagne doesn’t seem like a “cop-out” to me?

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by iso1631 »

kmeisthax wrote: post #155
iso1631 wrote: post #98

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Can I splat "Made in America" and an American flag on my crappy Chineese imports? Can I sell "Idaho potatoes" which were grown in Ireland? Can I buy "Florida orange juice" made with Brazillian oranges? One issue with a EU-US trade deal was that US farmers didn't want to have labelling rules to inform the consumer. Indeed they specifically wanted to remove the option that I, the consumer, had in deciding what to eat.…

The EU PDO scheme conflates geographic origin and a particular type of product in a way that is transparently protectionist and silly. When people say "feta cheese" or "american cheese", they're not asking for "made in Feta cheese" or "made in America cheese". They're asking for a particular flavor profile and cooking behavior, and possibly a specific method of manufacture. There is no particular reason why you can't…

There is no particular reason why you can't make "florida orange juice" outside of florida

If I want to Buy American (tm), or Buy Greek, or whatever, that's my right as a consumer. I have no problem with your dodgy Chinese knockoff being sold, I do have a problem when it pretends to be the genuine article.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by mytailorisrich »

avhon1 wrote: post #68
MakersF wrote: post #43

I think it's important to notice that the point is not to keep how to make the cheese secret. The recipe for the cheese is actually encoded in the law, and you can download it freely ( https://www.parmigianoreggiano.com/it/consorzio-disciplinare... , in italian). During lockdown I was trying to make a regional cheese, and the law was the best recipe I could find, with extremely detailed steps. I think they are trying…

> trying to discourage the usage of "something style" naming The law prohibits exactly this. From the Wikipedia article [1]: [Under Protected Geographical Status laws] it is also prohibited to combine the indication with words such as "style", "type", "imitation", or "method" in connection with the protected indications [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_indications_and_t...

That's when naming products.

This video only shows how to follow a recipe.

Re: Cease and desist for video on how to make “Grana Padano Style Cheese” [video]

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Post by mikelward »

vertis wrote: post #59

I had no idea that Grana Padano was a PDO. I can't help but feel that going around cease and desisting people that are passionately pursuing hobbies is a really bad idea. It reminds me of when the word Champagne was taken to court. The court ruled that the word could only be used by wine makers in the given region. What this resulted in was not I believe good for the Champagne region, despite the intent. The mind sha…

Prosecco is also a DOC/PDO.
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