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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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gus_massa wrote: post #319
pyman wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was a bit late to de-escalate after the islands had been invaded. According to my family, a bunch of people, probably fisherman or metallurgic workers, raised a flag in one of the island (we don't know why) and then Galtieri sent some troops to protect these people. When the fascists arrived to the islands, they were hostile to the residents. And then hell broke loose, and Galtieri was at war with the UK, US and…

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Revolutionary_Army_... > Although the ERP continued for a while under the leadership of Enrique Gorriarán Merlo, by late 1977 the guerrilla threat had been eradicted or gone underground. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros > The Montoneros were effectively finished off by 1977, although their "Special Forces" did fight on until 1981. The Montoneros tried to disr…

It was a civil war between a facist dictator and the Argentines who wanted freedom and democracy. Of course Montoneros went underground, they were being killed by the thousands. The good news is that the wounds left by fascism are now healing.

In Argentina, Maradona was seen as Evita and Che Guevara. The Champion of the poor, and the face of anti-imperialism.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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gus_massa wrote: post #319
pyman wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was a bit late to de-escalate after the islands had been invaded. According to my family, a bunch of people, probably fisherman or metallurgic workers, raised a flag in one of the island (we don't know why) and then Galtieri sent some troops to protect these people. When the fascists arrived to the islands, they were hostile to the residents. And then hell broke loose, and Galtieri was at war with the UK, US and…

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Revolutionary_Army_... > Although the ERP continued for a while under the leadership of Enrique Gorriarán Merlo, by late 1977 the guerrilla threat had been eradicted or gone underground. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros > The Montoneros were effectively finished off by 1977, although their "Special Forces" did fight on until 1981. The Montoneros tried to disr…

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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by pyman »

gus_massa wrote: post #319
pyman wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was a bit late to de-escalate after the islands had been invaded. According to my family, a bunch of people, probably fisherman or metallurgic workers, raised a flag in one of the island (we don't know why) and then Galtieri sent some troops to protect these people. When the fascists arrived to the islands, they were hostile to the residents. And then hell broke loose, and Galtieri was at war with the UK, US and…

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Revolutionary_Army_... > Although the ERP continued for a while under the leadership of Enrique Gorriarán Merlo, by late 1977 the guerrilla threat had been eradicted or gone underground. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoneros > The Montoneros were effectively finished off by 1977, although their "Special Forces" did fight on until 1981. The Montoneros tried to disr…

Dirty War (1976 to 1983)

* Right-wing Peronism: Videla, Military junta, AAA.

* Left-wing Peronism: Montoneros, students, socialists.

Up to 30,000 people disappeared, and more than 12,000 were tortured by the right-wing fascists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by teleforce »

mongol wrote: post #70
gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.

The defense is not passive but the football field was very soft and it's hard to run around to play football on it. This is according to Gary Lineker, England forward who was playing in the tournament. The bad condition favours Maradona who's accustomed to play in bad field condition.

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Post by jgwil2 »

andrepd wrote: post #115
mongol wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.

It's more than the play itself. It's the context. A world cup game (on of the best in recent decades at that), an Argentina x England after a war which precipitated massive change in Argentina, the whole atmosphere around that match. Then the hand of god, then that goal. It will be a legend remembered for centuries to come, in the memory and folklore of Argentinians especially, and of football lovers everywhere.

Centuries? Let's not kid ourselves.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by pyman »

pyman wrote: post #317
wankeler wrote: post #304

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It was a bit late to de-escalate after the islands had been invaded. Do you really think Galtieri would have gone for any kind of political settlement that would have seen troops withdrawn or islands returned? The whole thing was his Hail Mary exercise to stay in power. I seem to recall US SoS Haig tried pretty hard to fix things. The big mistakes by the Brits were made beforehand by not taking seriously the noises b…

> It was a bit late to de-escalate after the islands had been invaded. According to my family, a bunch of people, probably fisherman or metallurgic workers, raised a flag in one of the island (we don't know why) and then Galtieri sent some troops to protect these people. When the fascists arrived to the islands, they were hostile to the residents. And then hell broke loose, and Galtieri was at war with the UK, US and…

Sources:

https://www.britannica.com/event/Dirty-War

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42175752

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/mar/22/argentina.ianb...

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/southern-cone/2019-0...

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Post by pyman »

wesleywt wrote: post #286
omaranto wrote: post #209

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The heat? I live in Mexico City, it's basically never hot here. That game was on June 22, and according to WolframAlpha that day had a high of 15C. I don't know if that data is accurate, but I can tell you a high of 15C in June is plausible. Even if Wolfram's data is sketchy, I'd bet the high temperature on that day was somewhere between 15C and 25C.

Surely you have a day or two where it gets hot. Maybe the TV commentator said it was a hot day.

I'm watching the game right now on BBC Sport, the one with English commentators (Emlyn Hughes, Terry Venables etc). All the fans are wearing short sleeve t-shirt, this indicates that the temperature is between 20C-24C. Mexicans are very sensitive to cold, so most of them wear jumpers when it's below 20C.

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Post by pyman »

nickt wrote: post #288
balabaster wrote: post #134

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I watched this game live in 1986... the atmosphere that day, in that heat and altitude they had to play in, even on the little 14" TV we had in our house was palpable. There was something about the quality of the colors, the weather, the camera work, even to this day you can distinguish the video from the '86 World Cup at a glance of just a couple of seconds. It still brings back such amazing memories from my childho…

Because this is HN, no article gets away without a retro computing reference. Peter Shilton's Handball Maradona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Shilton's_Handball_Marad...

For me, Emlyn Hughes International Soccer is the best football game from the 80s. Was released 2 years after Maradona scored the Goal of the Century against England. I remember that Emlyn Hughes was one of the commentators.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by pyman »

andrepd wrote: post #115
mongol wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.

It's more than the play itself. It's the context. A world cup game (on of the best in recent decades at that), an Argentina x England after a war which precipitated massive change in Argentina, the whole atmosphere around that match. Then the hand of god, then that goal. It will be a legend remembered for centuries to come, in the memory and folklore of Argentinians especially, and of football lovers everywhere.

The reality is: England only remembers the first goal. Argentina the second. And the rest of the world doesn't give a damn.
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