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CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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In Australia zebra crossings are a type of pedestrian crossing where pedestrians always have right of way.

Isn't that what everybody else is talking about too?

I don't think 'crosswalks' require road traffic give way to pedestrians? Don't they just mark where crossing the road is not 'jaywalking'?

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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That's the point. They were never intended to objectively assess intelligence. They were designed to reinforce the dominant culture. Just like Google's tests do now.

I don't know much about the history of these tests. Can Hanlon's razor principle be applied here?

No. Look up to so called "literacy tests" used to disenfranchise voters. The people who designed those tests, and the "IQ" tests knew exactly what they were doing.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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I'm totally blind (lacking even light perception), with optic nerve hypoplasia (ONH). Relevant link: https://www.pathstoliteracy.org/blog/living-onh-adult-shares...

Relevant quotation from aforementioned link:

"Many children with ONH have difficulty processing sensory information through some or all of their senses--referred to as sensory processing disorder. They may show sensory defensiveness and delays in learning fine and gross motor skills, which can make reading braille and learning basic daily living skills, like dressing, grooming and personal hygiene, difficult or impossible without additional supports."

I find audio captchas infuriating at times, because I struggle to separate the words from the noise, though they have really improved over the last 3 or 4 years. I remember one night during 2012 or 2013, wasting 2 or 3 hours of my life, just listening to audio captchas. All I wanted was to delete my Facebook account and my girlfriend's Facebook account.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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I'm totally blind (lacking even light perception), with optic nerve hypoplasia (ONH). Relevant link: https://www.pathstoliteracy.org/blog/living-onh-adult-shares... Relevant quotation from aforementioned link: "Many children with ONH have difficulty processing sensory information through some or all of their senses--referred to as sensory processing disorder. They may show sensory defensiveness and delays in learning…

Do you suspect account deletion captchas are harder than account creation ones?

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Anything you do on google is training their AI for free. Do you think they're offering you free email out of the kindness of their hearts?

Don't they sell ads in the web UI like many other free email providers do?

And they sell the business accounts; because so many people are used to gmail for their personal accounts, quite a few companies are paying for that.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Honestly, I'm not that bothered. I think most of these users are high-pain users so dropping them is okay if ultimately it lets the website operator offer a service to me cheaper. Sure, some are unfairly blocked, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

> I think most of these users are high-pain users

What, non-Americans?

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Here's a different but similar whine. Probably worth its own blog post except I don't blog. Dear Apple, can you test your products outside California? I just left my laptop for 10 minutes on the balcony because I had to get a delivery. Because I'm not in California, the temperature on said balcony is 3 Celsius. Yes, I'm not american and I don't understand Fahrenheit. Guess what, when I came back the laptop was shutdo…

I agree working in a wider range of ambient temperatures would be nice, but they do have a support article stating the temperature should be over 10°C, so I wouldn't say they've not tested it. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201640 Note that the iOS devices work from above 0°C ( https://support.apple.com/en-sg/HT201678 ) so maybe improvements will be brought to laptops too.

> I agree working in a wider range of ambient temperatures would be nice, but they do have a support article stating the temperature should be over 10°C, so I wouldn't say they've not tested it.

Yeah, the point is 10 C is sufficient ... for California. Not necessarily for the rest of the world. I'm sure they specify some temperature range, it's just not quite enough. Besides it was left outside for 10 minutes, not hours.

To add insult to the injury, all my older Apple laptops were able to survive bouts on the balcony, and if anything, the winters were colder 10 years ago.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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not trying to stir up a shitstorm, but since this article mentions IQ tests - "what's a nickel?"... Check out the history (1971) of Larry P. and California's use of IQ testing in schools. > As a group, African Americans across the country scored lower on IQ tests. The lawsuit alleged that was because the tests were biased toward Eurocentric culture. Questions like, ”Who wrote Romeo and Juliet,” they argued, didn’t as…

> Questions like [..] didn’t assess a student’s innate capacity to learn Back in the day, I did a boat-load of tests and passed a boat-load of exams at school and then university. I have a drawer full of certificates from (apparently) respected institutions to prove it. None of which are any use to me right now. I can't say that any of the tests or exams I sat actually assessed anything close to my "innate capacity t…

For immigration purposes, I've had to take (and pass) a German language test. I've taken so many tests in my life, over 25 years of "school", and I've learned how tests work and how to pass them, that I've made the joke that I could have passed the the written part of the test in any language where I could read the alphabet.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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CAPTCHAs don't work. At least for humans. It's fairly easy to write a script with current technology even for an average "hacker" to solve them. But on the other hand it's extremely hard, nearly impossible for a person with special needs to complete them. Even for average person solving some of CAPTCHAs is a hassle. Most of the popular CAPTCHAs services are "robot-friendly" and providers don't care who solves them, t…

CAPTCHAs being american-centric, ableist, etc are all valid criticisms here, but I think people in tech fail to understand the value of them. Being "robot-friendly" still doesn't mean it's a walk in the park, and it's a hurdle that spammers will have to account for. If your site is a low value target or the spamming in general is low-value, it's often effective. Running any sort of small time open to the internet blo…

In those situations, captchas don't offer any improvement over a text field that always asks you to put a 3 in it. It's just different enough from other systems that it requires custom programming, and that's just not worth it for most small websites.
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