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CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#111

Anyone with a half functioning brain can figure out which ones are the taxis. Taxis are not yellow in my country and I would have no issue picking those out. They have the very distinctive sign on the roof that no normal car has. Not even OP was confused by this, they are just complaining on the behalf of some theoretical person who might get confused.

In current times Uber (and similar) are getting much more popular than taxis.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#112

I'm not American and I often see captchas that ask about "cars" or "trucks". And they use similar images. I sometimes don't pass through those. My question is, when I see a truck and I'm being asked to select all cars, should I select the truck or not? For me a truck is a car. Is it not one?

that's probably the type of stuff it wants to figure out by throwing it at us

The thing is that "probably" is the entire issue. You might just be training an AI that "truck" is a specific thing in the USA and something else where you happen to live ... or you might also be trying to guess what Google already thinks a "truck" is.

The stakes might be low (you get presented with another captcha) or astronomical (you get your account locked or something). There is literally no way to know with Google, it's a complete black box.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#113
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Can't google show different CAPTCHAs according to the different IP address?

It could , but that's quite a hard problem for Google's engineers to solve.

Doing that tends to make stuff worse. I've lived in countries where I don't speak the local language and despite everything being configured to use English, via IP detection some sites decide to just show me content in the local language when I'm trying to log in. Paypal is notorious for this.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It often happens with things designed and made in the USA. It is assumed that the terminology or customs of the USA apply to the rest of the world, when it's often not the case. For example, their bizarre date system. Widespread use of state abbreviations and timezone abbreviations that are only known in the USA. "Zip code" on forms for customers in New Zealand or India or France.

Zip Codes are used "more or less worldwide" and usually have a direct translation so that's not so much of an issue But yeah how the f someone though MM/DD/YY was a god date format and they kept using this monstrosity still baffles me Edit: translating the expression "Zip Code" to the equivalent in other countries is a non-issue (be it postal codes, etc). It's a code used by the post. No mystery there. Of course, the…

ZIP codes are American: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_Code

NZ has postcodes, and they're 4 digits, which confuses some websites.

Yes, the dates are ridiculous. I've had to use an online assessment system with hard-coded backwards American due date formatting that I have to warn students about. The vendor just shrugged.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#115

To add some balance, they should include "identify all the roundabouts" so that folk from the USA are equally disadvantaged.

They could just ask to decypher one of those parking signs as well: http://www.polisassist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/confus...

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#116

not trying to stir up a shitstorm, but since this article mentions IQ tests - "what's a nickel?"... Check out the history (1971) of Larry P. and California's use of IQ testing in schools. > As a group, African Americans across the country scored lower on IQ tests. The lawsuit alleged that was because the tests were biased toward Eurocentric culture. Questions like, ”Who wrote Romeo and Juliet,” they argued, didn’t as…

Those aren't anything like the sort of questions involved in IQ tests. IQ tests rarely involve words at all, usually a series of geometric shapes where you're supposed to pick the next one.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#117
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And in India, they are commonly refereed to as "Zebra Crossing". No one refers to them as cross-walks and most have no idea about that term.

Same in the UK and most commonwealth countries I think

"Pedestrian crossing" in NZ. Or just "crossing", if the context is clear.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#118

CAPTCHAs don't work. At least for humans. It's fairly easy to write a script with current technology even for an average "hacker" to solve them. But on the other hand it's extremely hard, nearly impossible for a person with special needs to complete them. Even for average person solving some of CAPTCHAs is a hassle. Most of the popular CAPTCHAs services are "robot-friendly" and providers don't care who solves them, t…

CAPTCHAs being american-centric, ableist, etc are all valid criticisms here, but I think people in tech fail to understand the value of them.

Being "robot-friendly" still doesn't mean it's a walk in the park, and it's a hurdle that spammers will have to account for. If your site is a low value target or the spamming in general is low-value, it's often effective. Running any sort of small time open to the internet blog or forum will make the value of CAPTCHAs abundantly clear. The issue here is being inclusive to people, not making them "work" against robots.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#119
Nonsense. I've never been to America but never had a problem recognizing any object on a captcha (except some indistinguishable letters on letter-based captchas occasionally). Everything is obvious even if it looks somewhat different from its European counterpart.

I don't know how much exactly is a nickel or a dime but it's obvious to me these are coins.

Everybody I know (and most of them have never been to America) is Ok with these American captchas too.

The only problems with captchas are they spy on you (Google doesn't actually check if you are a human, it checks which particular human you are) and annoy you.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

#120
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm old enough to remember when reCAPTCHA was first introduced to help with deciphering text from OCR'd books. At that time, it didn't feel so bad answering those, as we were using our intelligence to genuinely help preserve our cultural history. It then switched to being numbers on buildings and street signs, and it immediately felt worse - we were now doing a job for Google, and an annoying one. Mechanical Turk fro…

I used to have fun filling in those reCAPTCHAs with incorrect answers. They would show you two words, and it was always obvious which word was the actual CAPTCHA test and which was the OCR input, because the former would be warped into a funny shape while the latter was always a rectangular block of normal text. So I'd type in the correct answer for the warped word, and something like "fuckface" or "cocksucker" for t…

Probably not, as statistically your answers are filtered out as noise. Remember, hundreds of people were getting the same images.
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