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Diego Maradona has died

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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Imagine if we had this silly VAR technology in the 80s. Then one of the most iconic moments in football history (hand of god) would have been reviewed and dismissed. RIP Diegito

Probably for the better, as we could all focus on the other goal that he scored that match.

Yeah, it’s a pity that the most memorable moment of this legend is that hand goal.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

#253

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

But the first goal, broke my young heart. Can never forgive.

The two goals are greatly symbolic of Maradona. There's the genius and there's the deeply flawed human.

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post #200

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So the importance of this goal was that Maradona dribbled pas almost the whole England team single highhandedly and humiliated them, restoring the pride of a nation (Argentina) who lost a war (Falklands War) before this to England.

Argentina did not loose the war, that's what Brits don't understand, a facist dictator lost the war. You see, in 1982 my family and the entire country was at war with an Argentinean dictator, when suddenly Margaret Tatcher, an unpopular Prime Minister at that time, saw the opportunity and instead of de-escalating the tension between UK and the dictator, she decided to go to war with him. What the media didn't tell th…

I was alive at the time, in the UK (not England). Everyone knew the war was not with the Argentinian people. Also Maradona became a hero in our house for defeating England[1].

[1]See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braveheart for background.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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post #70

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This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.

Lionel Messi, same goal, 2004 (or thereabouts) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig

George Harrison: It's been done.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Imagine if we had this silly VAR technology in the 80s. Then one of the most iconic moments in football history (hand of god) would have been reviewed and dismissed. RIP Diegito

I don’t understand why would you want an illegal handball to not be provable?

Because it's human

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#257
post #151

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Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

If you ran for a few meters and tried to control a ball at your feet, you'd understand somewhat. Even that is extremely difficult to do well- shifting the ball and keeping it under control of your feet and away from defenders. Now try to imagine people trying to hack you down (totally normal defending back then) and tugging your shirt, in the blazing heat, at altitude, against a team that humiliated your country in a…

You do paint a picture.

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post #157
post #151

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Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

What do you not get? He takes the ball from the half way line on a solo run past 6 of some of the best players in the world and manages to score, while being tackled . I’m not a sports aficionado so struggle to come up with analogy to another sport but let’s just say it’s like reverse engineering an nvidia driver in a few weeks using nothing but vi and hexdump. This was lauded as goal of the century.

Using nothing but nano.

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I have followed and played football since I was born. I was lucky to be in Mexico 1986 and have seen the evolution of football. Today the sport have evolved so much, diets, rules, salaries, marketing, tactics with this in mind players are less passionate about their teams and care more about the looks and salaries, this clearly affects how they perform in the field. When Maradona led Argentina in a World Cup against a very very strong English team, and score that goal is something that no matter if you are argentinian or not, this can't be quantified, this passion is not numbers. Here we are analytical and love numbers. Messi in numbers is better, but the feeling and the emotions you generate in a crowd is what makes Maradona special. He caused that in Napoli, Argentina, Mexico, anywhere, he is D10S

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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post #197

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You clearly lack the political context of England/UK and Argentina, and what that goal represented to Argentinians. With or without coke, that was a moment of liberation, and he alone carried the Argentinean team on his shoulders in 1986 when they won the World Cup. One needs more than coke to do what he did in 1986. One needs to be extraordinarily gifted, only for the likes of Pele, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Garrincha, M…

It was more a feeling of revenge than liberation. In 1982 my family and the entire country was at war with an Argentinean dictator, when suddenly Margaret Tatcher, an unpopular Prime Minister at that time, instead of de-escalating the situation with the Argentine dictator decided to go to war with a country that was already at war and fighting for democracy. For that reason, Argentine people felt betrayed by England.…

"It was more a feeling of revenge than liberation. In 1982 my family and the entire country was at war with an Argentinean dictator, when suddenly Margaret Tatcher, an unpopular Prime Minister at that time, instead of de-escalating the situation with the Argentine dictator decided to go to war with a country that was already at war and fighting for democracy. For that reason, Argentine people felt betrayed by England."

It was more a feeling of revenge than liberation. In 1939 my family and the entire country was at war with an GERMAN dictator, when suddenly WINSTON CHURCHILL, an unpopular Prime Minister at that time, instead of de-escalating the situation with the GERMAN dictator decided to go to war with a country that was already at war and fighting for democracy. For that reason, GERMAN people felt betrayed by England.

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