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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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I don’t understand why would you want an illegal handball to not be provable?

The limitations of the referee were a part of the sport, which was always about humans and stories, not the mechanical application of rules. That's why we are here once again remembering the memorable moment that the Hand of God goal was.

Why is that more true for football than it would be for, say, tennis, where hawkeye has been in operation for and widely accepted for years?

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The limitations of the referee were a part of the sport, which was always about humans and stories, not the mechanical application of rules. That's why we are here once again remembering the memorable moment that the Hand of God goal was.

I can’t see how this isn’t celebrating dishonesty and unsportsmanship - both things that undermine sport not make it.

Look that first goal broke my heart. However, real football has uncertainty, it has games where you were robbed. Games where the referee blow the whistle a fraction before the ball hits the net (no goal). When a goal is given you can celebrate, especially in a live match. Now VAR robs something of the game. The second goal would not have happened with the first goal being ruled against. Not driven the next England side to semi-final to almost avenge the 1st goal. VAR is terrible. Football without VAR is like live - full of injustice, full of revenge, full off real emotions.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

Thank you Don Diego https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nCPA3-HURw

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

Man all before the professional foul became a thing. That kind of play doesn't happen much these days.

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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.

It's more than the play itself. It's the context. A world cup game (on of the best in recent decades at that), an Argentina x England after a war which precipitated massive change in Argentina, the whole atmosphere around that match. Then the hand of god, then that goal. It will be a legend remembered for centuries to come, in the memory and folklore of Argentinians especially, and of football lovers everywhere.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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I'll represent the other, unpopular side: the man did as much if not more damage than all the glory he had.

As a footballer his career was finished pretty much 30 years ago. He left the '94 World Cup testing positive for drugs in what was a national embarrassment. His career as a manager was a disaster that existed purely off his prior fame. It's an embarrassment that we are unable to move on past things that happened four decades ago.

As a human being, he lacked morals, never recognized his uncountable illegitimate children, had no care for his body or self beyond the most infantile of desires, and his irrelevant words on a myriad topics were taken as gospel in an astounding display of hypocrisy.

I did not live to see his plays in the 80s. I remember his infamy of the 90s, along with the infamy of many, many public figures of Argentina of that time (along with the coked-up failure of a president Menem and the parade of similarly dubious public figures, all good friends of his too).

I remember being in elementary and my classmates emulating, respecting and excusing the horrible aspects of his character, and I certainly remember how that made dents in the morals of a generation that excused cheating as long as it got results done.

Having later on lived in more developed countries where that stuff just didn't fly, I'll go out on a limb and ascribe at least part of the failures of Latin America to these kinds of attitudes.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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It's presumably here because HN is not parochial and Maradona was a Michael Jordan level global superstar, with some claiming him as the greatest ever at his sport.

after Pele, in so many aspects (including soccer)

Well, in direct comparison Pelé seems a bit deficient in tragic dark sides. That makes him greater in many ways, but also less of an attention magnet. On the list of Roman emperors people can name, Nero will rank quite close to the top.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Unpopular opinion: He was a gifted footballer but was a total piece of shit in nearly all other aspects of life including abusing women and minors, to say nothing of his complete lack of sportsmanship on the pitch. I hate that this guy gets lionized. To me it just underlines everything wrong with football.

I don’t think many people will claim that he was a good person. He’s lionized for his football playing, like Messi.

A lot of people in my country also like/dislike him for his political opinions. A lot of people do claim he was a good person. Others hated him or mocked him. He had transcended football.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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The parody "Church of Maradona" (yes, this is a thing!), or Maradonian Church might mark today as a black day, year 60 DD "Después de Diego" or "after Diego" ... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iglesia_Maradoniana Poor Maradona holds the record for suffering the most number of fouls in a World Cup – 53, during the 1986 World Cup. He has a tattoo of Che Guevara on his arm, and a portrait of Fidel Castro tattooed on hi…

A good cue to remember Barcelona's scout report of Maradona:

https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1orjm7/scouting_rep...

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