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macOS has checked app signatures online for over 2 years

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Re: macOS has checked app signatures online for over 2 years

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Post by sudosysgen »

zepto wrote: post #108
oarsinsync wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> has "the market" shown any serious signal that it cares about privacy? Depends on what you consider a serious signal of care. If 'voting with you wallet' is the measure, increasing levels of income inequality, stagnant wages, weakening employee rights through the gig-economy, etc. are effectively taking away that choice, as most market participants cannot afford to make the choice. Also, what is the paid alternativ…

Income inequality and stagnant wages etc are not the consequences of Apple and Google.

No one suggested they are. But they still make it much less likely for the average Joe to put money and effort to protect their privacy, and this is known to those that make major pricing decisions.

Re: macOS has checked app signatures online for over 2 years

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Post by darksaints »

zepto wrote: post #114
darksaints wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that would defeat the purpose. Apple can be thought of as the equivalent of the NSA: they "care" about your privacy in the sense that they don't want anybody but themselves to have access to it. Unfortunately we don't have an Apple competitor that cares enough about your privacy to not want anybody, including themselves , to have access to it.

And yet, this claim about Apple’s intent isn’t made with a shred of evidence.

Oh, you mean the article up at the top of the fucking page? Yeah, I didn't think it was necessary.

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Post by gspr »

cdubzzz wrote: post #82
pfortuny wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your choice, not mine. Like: Houdini Emacs Latex A file manager Audacity A Terminal ... Off the tip of my head, used almost daily.

I didn’t mean to imply that one could not name programs that don’t communicate. Of course they exist. I’m not arguing for this type of behavior, just pointing out that it is pretty much the norm. On macOS I use Little Snitch to find and shutdown must of this extra traffic.

> I can’t think of a single program off the top of my head that doesn’t use the Internet to some extent while running

> I didn’t mean to imply that one could not name programs that don’t communicate.

Can you understand how people would read your first comment that way, though?

Re: macOS has checked app signatures online for over 2 years

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Post by valuearb »

sneak wrote: post #126
nickpp wrote: post #47

I sometimes wonder if the mods won't end up banning "political" talk on HN. Because these days everything becomes political, even if it really is a technical issue. Case to the point: online signature check was a technical decision, to fight malware. It was implemented similarly by other OS vendors (Microsoft) and it's been this way for years. Now we discover that it has the unfortunate side-effect that it lessens pr…

> Case to the point: online signature check was a technical decision, to fight malware. This is an oversimplification. It also helps protect Apple's business model: you must pay Apple a fee for services (and show ID) to be able to sign your apps for distribution on this platform. Imagine if you had to show ID to get a TLS certificate for your website. Don't conflate the issue - this is also a move to protect certain…

Without facts, your thoughts are merely conspiracy theories. There is no difference between them and claims the US presidential election was stolen.

Re: macOS has checked app signatures online for over 2 years

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Post by skuthus »

rednum wrote: post #17

Another fun fact about this system: something changed in how the binaries are evaluated and one VST plugins I've downloaded months ago was marked as malware. The plugin is quite popular in community so I think it's unlikely it contains actual malicious code (in fact I've contacted the developer and he said he has done some fixes for Apple's security policies recently). Imagine my shock when I open an old project in A…

>I don't want to worry about whether my music will work five or ten years from now

This is exactly what Apple has already done to the iTunes world, music you had a decade ago is suddenly inaccessible

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Post by tasinn »

valuearb wrote: post #148
jgilias wrote: post #142

It seems that many tend to overlook the main issue with this. Because of this feature, there are people on this lovely planet of ours who may be in actual physical danger at this very moment .

Citation needed.

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Re: macOS has checked app signatures online for over 2 years

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Post by nerbert »

nullc wrote: post #2

A common refrain in arguments that we don't need laws to protect privacy is that the market will take care of it. The market can't act against what it can't see. Privacy loss is often irreversible. A common refrain in arguments that we don't need to reject closed source software to protect privacy is that being closed source doesn't hide the behaviour, and people will still notice backdoors and privacy leaks. Sometim…

On argument to make is that the market only cares about the majority of their customers, not all of them. If 0.5% of their customers has their privacy busted by a backdoor, or that 0.01% of google users have their account arbitrarily deleted, this percentage of users is screwed like no one and the company doesn't suffer any damage.
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