And now it is flagged ... gotta love hn on anything China ... Yes. It is the story of the century and a massive achievement. Testament to what good government can do.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25187524.
China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties
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Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties
#92Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.
Could you elaborate on why it is such a great achievement? Seems like a pretty natural consequence of their growing economy.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I share your skepticism, there doesn't seem to be much room for cover-up here (though I'm sure the initial outbreak was significantly under-counted). My understanding is that restrictions are pretty minimal apart from strict control of travelers. So either there is basically no community spread or it's likely to be rampant - and then the hospitals would be overflowing like they are in the US, which is much much…
Why do you graciously accept the numbers from the CCP while ignoring any evidence towards a cover-up? Do you actually believe the CCP has the pandemic under control? The amount of propaganda spread by the CCP trough their state controlled media is insane and wholly inaccurate. The CCP also conveniently put the blame squarely at foreign nationals bringing the virus over every single time. as if there are no cases of c…
One part to clarify, you're quoting NTD/FLG/Epoch Times/Shen Yun/Bannon/New Federal State of China/Guo Wengui. Being partisan is fine. Just be sure to dig through to primary sources beyond editorials.
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#94>moderately prosperous society in all respects. >satisfaction rate among locals was over 99 percent >About 1.88 million people living in poor mountainous areas have been relocated to urban areas >Various supporting measures have been taken to ensure that at least one person on average in each relocated household gets employed. Reads like an Onion article.
There have been independent surveys of China, you know... 99% is obviously an overstatement but young people especially are genuinely very satisfied with their national government (less so locally).
And you believe that?
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#95Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.
So far, I live most of the life in China, IMHO, the root of our previous poverty is arrogance and one man in power (see Mao's policy which had led nation wide famine just because he want to surpass US in a short time), and that left us fall behind the world economically. And the latter so-called "lifted out of poverty" (a oftenly used propaganda tune in Chinese spokesmen to refute others' human rights infringement blame) is nothing but opening up the nation and letting our hardworking people to make products for the world (mostly in downstream application wise products, even nowadays, you see huge Chinese tech companies all cannot live w/o Github, btw, that's why government doesn't block github). Which is seen by me just recovering those years we had losing in politics and culture revolution.
Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties
#96Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.
> I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history
And you forget to say that the amount of people verged into absolute poverty by CPC is also the biggest shame of human history.
Nowhere else in history few hundred million people verge forcibly degraded back into stone age out of somewhat moderately industrialised economy.
Chinese people have nothing to thank communists for. Any opinion differing from this is preposterous.
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#97Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.
So far, I live most of the life in China, IMHO, the root of our previous poverty is arrogance and one man in power (see Mao's policy which had led nation wide famine just because he want to surpass US in a short time), and that left us fall behind the world economically. And the latter so-called "lifted out of poverty" (a oftenly used propaganda tune in Chinese spokesmen to refute others' human rights infringement bl…
I don't think most of party member even know what github is.
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#98What I love about Hacker News is that almost none of its readers are dumb enough to believe this.
Cite a reason why you'd think it's dumb. Denying that China has so far been very successful is a fallacy. Compare China to India, China was behind. Now it has leapfrogged ahead. It is yet to be seen if China can reach the developed country status, which would require dethroning the dollar as the world reserve currency. However, just because China has been successful in the past doesn't mean it will be able to achieve…
If it wasn't CCP, China can be much better now. Remember why China is poor back then? It's called culture revolution, 10 years.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
So far, I live most of the life in China, IMHO, the root of our previous poverty is arrogance and one man in power (see Mao's policy which had led nation wide famine just because he want to surpass US in a short time), and that left us fall behind the world economically. And the latter so-called "lifted out of poverty" (a oftenly used propaganda tune in Chinese spokesmen to refute others' human rights infringement bl…
I don't think most of party member even know what github is.
You should not underestimate CCP, remember they initiated a large scale DDoS attack targeting github? And they blocked gist but not github.
Re: China delists all remaining poverty-stricken counties
#100Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.
Clarification: I meant rule of law broadly speaking as a human invention (like science and medicine), not specific to China. Sorry for the confusion.
One of my high school friends has become a judge in my hometown (fulfilling his dream), and they are actually a team specialising in dealing with cases against local authorities[0]. I exchange conversation with him about all kinds of societal issues. I don't know how it can represent everywhere in China but I understand that the legal system has improved massively comparing with decades ago. In major cities most civil cases are ruled by law and working quite well. You can have any opinion you like but I find people completely dismissing a working legal system in China is a bit silly.